Traffic Cops BBC1

[Mr Trophy]

zetec said:

Enjoyed that episode, a good insight into the investigation work that goes into a fatal accident.

I am surprised the Copper had the time to sit and wait outside the pub for the bloke to get bladdered and then drive. He blew 62 on the evidential machine so perhaps 4 or 5 pints? He would've been sat out there for well over an hour I'd imagine.

How does that work then? Do you just radio your sergeant and ask if you can sit and wait for a DD?

[droopsnoot]

Mr Trophy said:

zetec said:

Enjoyed that episode, a good insight into the investigation work that goes into a fatal accident.

I am surprised the Copper had the time to sit and wait outside the pub for the bloke to get bladdered and then drive. He blew 62 on the evidential machine so perhaps 4 or 5 pints? He would've been sat out there for well over an hour I'd imagine.

How does that work then? Do you just radio your sergeant and ask if you can sit and wait for a DD?

I guess if it's a quiet night and there's been a tip-off, it's probably worth hanging around for a bit just in case - if the guy had caused an accident on the way home there'd be no shortage of people wailing about how they'd told the police but they'd done nothing. Presumably if something had happened locally he'd have been told to come away from it.

Section on FTO has me reminding myself to check my tyre pressures a bit more often.

[rohrl]

I could be wrong but I think that the voiceover said the copper in the X5 was sitting there for 90 minutes waiting for the drink-driver. If there's nothing else going on in the area and if the driver drink-drives every night on the way home from work (as he said) then I don't think this is an unreasonable time to wait.

[227bhp]

droopsnoot said:

I guess if it's a quiet night and there's been a tip-off, it's probably worth hanging around for a bit just in case - if the guy had caused an accident on the way home there'd be no shortage of people wailing about how they'd told the police but they'd done nothing. Presumably if something had happened locally he'd have been told to come away from it.

Section on FTO has me reminding myself to check my tyre pressures a bit more often.

Certainly worth checking, but not a defining factor in that accident I think. I did wonder how accurate that test was, I mean, couldn't the tyres have lost some pressure whilst being ragged around during the accident? I've had cars which lost pressure after a hard drive through a bad seal between tyre and rim.

[jonwm]

The interesting thing I found about the crash investigation was the bulb check after, I saw on a motorway / traffic cops programe years ago in Southampton when a lorry had hit a line of stationary traffic that the bulb in the car proved she had her foot on the brake as the filament had glass stuck to it due to the heat when smashing, this light cluster was not damaged, so it proved nothing, didn't rate his work to be honest, well what was shown anyway i'm sure he does much more fascinating work, but 4 markings, yes we all saw he hit the stump, and first job of the night was get the tire pressure monitor out...

[g3org3y]

227bhp said:

speedking31 said:

But why did the officer then have to say that if he'd done the same thing in town and hit a bus queue that there could have been multiple fatalities. I do 70 on the motorway, if I did that outside a school there could be fatalities. Devalued the whole section.

Yes I thought that too, the two scenarios had little in common or were relevant. Possibly better to have pointed out what could have happened had he hit someone head-on coming the other way as he was leaving the road. At least he only took himself out through his own stupidity.

I thought the same, seemed like a pointless comment.

[Deerfoot]

jonwm said:

The interesting thing I found about the crash investigation was the bulb check after, I saw on a motorway / traffic cops programe years ago in Southampton when a lorry had hit a line of stationary traffic that the bulb in the car proved she had her foot on the brake as the filament had glass stuck to it due to the heat when smashing, this light cluster was not damaged, so it proved nothing,

Why would the cluster on the FTO be damaged? It was a frontal impact on the FTO, a rear-ender on the example used by yourself.

He was trying to establish if the FTO driver had been braking at the point of impact, the fact the bulb filament was intact indicated that the brake lights weren`t illuminated, if they were they would`ve been broken as per the car rear ended by the truck.

[Muzzer79]

g3org3y said:

227bhp said:

speedking31 said:

But why did the officer then have to say that if he'd done the same thing in town and hit a bus queue that there could have been multiple fatalities. I do 70 on the motorway, if I did that outside a school there could be fatalities. Devalued the whole section.

Yes I thought that too, the two scenarios had little in common or were relevant. Possibly better to have pointed out what could have happened had he hit someone head-on coming the other way as he was leaving the road. At least he only took himself out through his own stupidity.

I thought the same, seemed like a pointless comment.

Me too

I think the officer mentioned that he could have lost it on the high street and "killed 10 people"
That's a lot of what-iffing.
He could have driven into a shopping centre and killed hundreds in theory but it's pointless making such a comment.

Surprised at the old bloke who decided not to stop when they tried to pull him outside the pub. If you're going to be stupid enough to try and get away, at least stick with it rather than give up after 2 minutes!

[L4CON]

Muzzer79 said:

Me too

I think the officer mentioned that he could have lost it on the high street and "killed 10 people"
That's a lot of what-iffing.
He could have driven into a shopping centre and killed hundreds in theory but it's pointless making such a comment.

Surprised at the old bloke who decided not to stop when they tried to pull him outside the pub. If you're going to be stupid enough to try and get away, at least stick with it rather than give up after 2 minutes!

When he mentioned I high street, I was thinking there may have been a row of shops slightly further up/down the road which would make it a bit more relevant.

[Beati Dogu]

Looks like they've got a new police station in Harrogate since I lived there. The old one used to be right next door to the masonic hall, by sheer coincidence of course. I was in a couple of line ups there back in the day. Not as a perp you understand.

I think I know the road that crash happened on. Looks like the B6165 from Ripley to Knaresborough, a classic B road really. It can be fast in parts, but tree lined and they're very unforgiving.


That doofus with the ear rings though.

"I'm not banned"
"Yes, but you've got no insurance and only a provisional license, so shouldn't be driving"
"But I'm not banned"

[soxboy]

Beati Dogu said:

Looks like they've got a new police station in Harrogate since I lived there. The old one used to be right next door to the masonic hall, by sheer coincidence of course. I was in a couple of line ups there back in the day. Not as a perp you understand.

I think I know the road that crash happened on. Looks like the B6165 from Ripley to Knaresborough, a classic B road really. It can be fast in parts, but tree lined and they're very unforgiving.

Yes it's changed a fair bit since I lived there too. The police station is now at Cardale Park, next to where Harrogate Advertiser was, a very impressive building.

You're correct with the road, the smash was by Nidd Hall near where Strasse Porsche were. I used to have mates living near there after I'd passed my test so we all drove along it 'at pace' as a 17-18 year old. There's lots of dips and sneaky bends on the roads round there, and plenty of unforgiving trees too!

[speedking31]

Beati Dogu said:

That doofus with the ear rings though.

"I'm not banned"
"Yes, but you've got no insurance and only a provisional license, so shouldn't be driving"
"But I'm not banned"

I think the Officer told him that he'd been stopped because he was disqualified, the info he got from the control centre. IMO The point the driver was getting at, but poorly made, was that as he wasn't disqualified he shouldn't have been stopped and therefore the other stuff about licences could not be raised

[Beati Dogu]

He was an idiot. People like him and those drink drivers seem to live in a parallel universe where they can do no wrong.

[Mr GrimNasty]

Both the drink drivers were only very marginal weren't they, in fact the one that refused the blood/urine was daft.
Both probably had a pint and 1/2 or 2, another day they could have done the same and been under, probably didn't think he was over, hence the lack of concern.

[rohrl]

Mr GrimNasty said:

Both the drink drivers were only very marginal weren't they, in fact the one that refused the blood/urine was daft.
Both probably had a pint and 1/2 or 2, another day they could have done the same and been under, probably didn't think he was over, hence the lack of concern.

One of them blew 62mg on his first go at the machine in the police station. Given that the legal limit is 35mg that's quite a long way over.

I agree that the guy who was borderline shouldn't have refused.

[RicksAlfas]

Why can't they have two breathalysers in the police car, and do everything at the roadside?

There are parts of North Yorkshire well over an hour from any police station, by which time a borderline suspect could be sober. Seems a real time waster.

Did laugh at the guy driving the pickup full of junk!

[Deerfoot]

RicksAlfas said:

Did laugh at the guy driving the pickup full of junk!

Junk?

They were presents for his wife!

[Legacywr]

It's perfectly logical/just, to wait 90mins to catch a potential spree killer when you think about!

It seems he could have been drink driving every night of the week!

[PorkInsider]

rohrl said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

Both the drink drivers were only very marginal weren't they, in fact the one that refused the blood/urine was daft.
Both probably had a pint and 1/2 or 2, another day they could have done the same and been under, probably didn't think he was over, hence the lack of concern.

One of them blew 62mg on his first go at the machine in the police station. Given that the legal limit is 35mg that's quite a long way over.

I agree that the guy who was borderline shouldn't have refused.

They did say the 62 was a false reading caused by residue in his mouth or in the tube.

[iva cosworth]

Currently watching an old episode of motor way cops.

Focus driver threw a can of red bull at an Audi.....