Traffic Cops BBC1

[BAHN-STORMA]

10 Pence Short said:

Looking at that I'd imagine the Civic was pretty near top speed. To carry enough momentum to be high enough to hit a roof after a few hundred yards needs some serious speed. Very impressive that he wasn't killed on impact.

Roof cushioned the fall!

[The Curn]

quyen said:

The Curn said:

fk me.

Just goes to show, never admit anything, they have nothing on him at all.

So the moral of the story is, if you don't want to get caught, don't call the emergency services?!

Damn right it is.

I'm sure that we've all been in situations on the road when some "enthusiastic" driving has taken place in the heat of the moment. Normally with some like minded other road user.

That is exactly what happened here. Two young men, one in a type R Honda the other in the BMW, thought they would have a bit of fun.

The chap in the Honda ran out of talent.

Concerned the chap in the BMW puts in a call to the ES using a false name as he knew he was being a bit naughty and as a thank you gets a 2 year DD ban.

Would I call the ES in a similar situation after watching that?

Would I fk.

[Mekon]

So you'd possibly let someone die just to save your licence?

[rfn]

I think there was more than just spirited driving goin on here. That Civic was definately going some which suggests more than just a "hoon" to me.

I suspect that there were bits of the story we didn't see.

[gazza_3]

I would have stopped at A public phone, using A false name.

[The Curn]

Mekon said:

So you'd possibly let someone die just to save your licence?

That sounds harsh I agree, however;

The guy in the Honda new exactly what he was doing when he decided to drive in that manner.

Whats to say that the BMW driver wasn't just cracking on to get home on a favourite road when he was overtaken in a furious manner by the Honda that subsequently ended up in someones bedroom.

He rang the ES and gave a false name as he didn't want to admit that he was cracking on a bit.

As a result he gets a 2 year ban.

These things are never black and white, but in answer to your question, yes, it would make me think twice about a putting a call in...

[guru_1071]

The Curn said:

Mekon said:

So you'd possibly let someone die just to save your licence?

That sounds harsh I agree, however;

The guy in the Honda new exactly what he was doing when he decided to drive in that manner.

Whats to say that the BMW driver wasn't just cracking on to get home on a favourite road when he was overtaken in a furious manner by the Honda that subsequently ended up in someones bedroom.

He rang the ES and gave a false name as he didn't want to admit that he was cracking on a bit.

As a result he gets a 2 year ban.

These things are never black and white, but in answer to your question, yes, it would make me think twice about a putting a call in...

it happened at about 7 in the morning, from more local reports they had raced for a good five or so miles (from where the cctv saw them) and it was more a case of either car could have ended up where the civic did.

IIRC the fool in the bmw was on his way to the local golf course

i think the ban was more of a result of him blankly stating that he hadnet seen anything, done anything, etc etc.

[Deva Link]

ab@ said:

...and the guy who pressed the gas instead of the brake and nailed the kid on the bike (afterwards when he was recovered obviously). I think he was a priest.

I thought it was very interesting the the Bib at the scene said speeding up probably prevented a more serious injury accident. He also seemed to imply that if the old guy had been going more slowly in the first place then the accident would have been more serious.

[Munter]

Deva Link said:

ab@ said:

...and the guy who pressed the gas instead of the brake and nailed the kid on the bike (afterwards when he was recovered obviously). I think he was a priest.

I thought it was very interesting the the Bib at the scene said speeding up probably prevented a more serious injury accident. He also seemed to imply that if the old guy had been going more slowly in the first place then the accident would have been more serious.

Yeah because the kid hit the side of the car. So rather than get hit by the front/go under the car he "bounced" off the side. It's hard to see any way that was the drivers fault. He was driving along and a child rode his bike 90 degrees into the side of the car. Could have been any of us.

[Deva Link]

Munter said:

Deva Link said:

ab@ said:

...and the guy who pressed the gas instead of the brake and nailed the kid on the bike (afterwards when he was recovered obviously). I think he was a priest.

I thought it was very interesting the the Bib at the scene said speeding up probably prevented a more serious injury accident. He also seemed to imply that if the old guy had been going more slowly in the first place then the accident would have been more serious.

Yeah because the kid hit the side of the car. So rather than get hit by the front/go under the car he "bounced" off the side. It's hard to see any way that was the drivers fault. He was driving along and a child rode his bike 90 degrees into the side of the car. Could have been any of us.

I fully understand that, my surprise was the on camera statement by the Officer that going faster was better.

[Silent1]

Goes to show, never talk to the police.
They were both convicted on their interviews, no other evidence.

[Mad Dave]

hornetrider said:

tomTVR said:

This programme makes me mad everytime i watch it.

Ok the BMW guy dropped himself in it by lying to the police but he could (hypothetically) have been any of us on a regional hoon, usually there is plenty of overtaking an a little bit of speeding (lets be honest). Sometimes on hoons you overtake eachother along the way. But what is to say you know anything about the guy in the other car(s) he could drive like a maniac and crash and you get done for dangerous driving just because after the accident witnesses report you going fast (even if you are doing in safely yourself at that point) in the same convoy. It could so easily happen if you think about it.

BMW chap loses his licence for 2 years which could ruin his life and he didnt hurt anyone or damage any property. Prick in the SEAT on the other hand smashes his car up, nearly kills 2 other people, ADMITS he was to blame AND there are numerous witnesses confirming his dangerous driving. What does he get? Driver fking improvement course give me a break, he will be out driving like a tt again next week without a single point on his licence. So much disparity between sentencing its unbelieveable.

I agree with that rant wholeheartedly.

However, I think once they found out for a fact the Z4 driver was lying, they decided to throw the book at him.

Thing is, they were both racing - and one of them crashed. The Z4 guy couldn't renounce all responsibility as he was involved. The fact that one of them crashed is reflected in the penalty - presumably the Z4 driver got done for Racing on a Public Highway and the Civic driver was done for Dangerous Driving? Just a guess but would seem plausible.

[monthefish]

tomTVR said:

This programme makes me mad everytime i watch it.

Ok the BMW guy dropped himself in it by lying to the police but he could (hypothetically) have been any of us on a regional hoon, usually there is plenty of overtaking an a little bit of speeding (lets be honest). Sometimes on hoons you overtake eachother along the way. But what is to say you know anything about the guy in the other car(s) he could drive like a maniac and crash and you get done for dangerous driving just because after the accident witnesses report you going fast (even if you are doing in safely yourself at that point) in the same convoy. It could so easily happen if you think about it.

BMW chap loses his licence for 2 years which could ruin his life and he didnt hurt anyone or damage any property. Prick in the SEAT on the other hand smashes his car up, nearly kills 2 other people, ADMITS he was to blame AND there are numerous witnesses confirming his dangerous driving. What does he get? Driver fking improvement course give me a break, he will be out driving like a tt again next week without a single point on his licence. So much disparity between sentencing its unbelieveable.

, and again.

I was going to post very similar (was just trying to work out how to phrase your second line "he could have been any one of us....etc" in a way that wouldn't get me flamed by the PH 'holier than thou' mob!!)

What pisses me of the most is the inconsistency in sentencing, especially when compared to the likes of those that steal cars, lead the numerous police cars & helicopters on a high speed chase through towns etc, end up crashing and then get let off very lightly.

[schuey]

On the very same road,about 1/2 mile further on,a work mate of mine got busted and jailed under simlar circumstances. He was pressing on in his car and had overtaken a line of cars just before where that civic crashed,another car(a mate of his) was also pressing on and overtook the same cars although they were not aware of each other at the time according to the feds. 2nd car loses it and hits another innocent car head on resulting in serious injuries all round. Workmate returned to the crash as he saw it in his mirrors,feds turn up,all the old dears say they were racing and although the evidence was a bit dodgy he got 6 mths inside and 18mth ban! Had he continued on his way there would be a good chance he would have got away with it. That road is a bit dangerous though as you get all the w@nkers heading to the coast at 41mph in the 60 zone causing some dodgy overtaking from everyone else trying to get home.

[BAHN-STORMA]

Shot of the close up on Z4 badge - Orange peel or what!

[Darkslider]

BAHN-STORMA said:

Shot of the close up on Z4 badge - Orange peel or what!

Doesn't look like the Z4 driver's had a crash-free driving history either to be honest :P

[Six Fiend]

Munter said:

Deva Link said:

ab@ said:

...and the guy who pressed the gas instead of the brake and nailed the kid on the bike (afterwards when he was recovered obviously). I think he was a priest.

I thought it was very interesting the the Bib at the scene said speeding up probably prevented a more serious injury accident. He also seemed to imply that if the old guy had been going more slowly in the first place then the accident would have been more serious.

Yeah because the kid hit the side of the car. So rather than get hit by the front/go under the car he "bounced" off the side. It's hard to see any way that was the drivers fault. He was driving along and a child rode his bike 90 degrees into the side of the car. Could have been any of us.

I was quite interested in that as people often talk about braking but sometimes the best way to deal with a hazard is to accelerate.

IRO other bits of the prog...

Yes the Seat driver cocked up an overtake but he put his hands up to it, had not been drinking and seemed to genuinely be sorry/shaken. There was no mention the previous overtakes were dangerous was there? Hands up if I missed such.

Z4 bloke, misguided twerp. Type R driver - buffoon. Btw do they all have a heated seat malfunction 'cos every one I see near me is piloted like the driver's pants are on fire

Edited by Six Fiend on Friday 15th August 19:59

[Munter]

Six Fiend said:

Type R driver - buffoon. Btw do they all have a heated seat malfunction 'cos every one I see near me is piloted like the driver's pants are on fire

Edited by Six Fiend on Friday 15th August 19:59

I'm not sure about that. But I believe the statistics on the number of Type-R Civics written off in accidents is unusually high.... (no I cant prove that...so there...pah)

[thinfourth2]

I wander what the punishment would be if two chavs had stolen the civic and BMW and had exactly the same crash?

[MonkeyHanger]

Just watching this on iPlayer..

"The earth would have moved for you"