The Big Bang Theory
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It was always going to end like this, it seems inevnitable with these 30 min US sit-coms. I understand that if it was still Social Akward Sheldon and Geeky Leonard living over the way from Hot Penny and that it would be really stale by now, so they need to grow the story and characters, if nothing else the actors age and they have to mature the charaters or it looks just stupid. I suppose it mirrors real life, the progression from your 20s to your 30s, it's chasing girls, nights out and spontanious trip to mortgages, careers and of course Babies, but it's just not as funny.
With the writers seemingly playing all the cards they had left, Leonard and Penny getting together permenantly and getting married, Sheldon getting his leg over and now the inevitable Baby I wonder what the last series will be like - I'm guessing we won't see the Baby till next series, they'll play a few of the smaller cards they have left, maybe we'll see Leonards Dad or even Howard's Dad - but it'll be almost pure soap opera.
With the writers seemingly playing all the cards they had left, Leonard and Penny getting together permenantly and getting married, Sheldon getting his leg over and now the inevitable Baby I wonder what the last series will be like - I'm guessing we won't see the Baby till next series, they'll play a few of the smaller cards they have left, maybe we'll see Leonards Dad or even Howard's Dad - but it'll be almost pure soap opera.
Fair enough change the characters, but evolve them into something that's equally as funny.
Two and a Half Men - personally I quite like the show and in the ~10 seasons that Charlie Sheen did his character rarely changed, but I'd argue it was just as funny in his last season. Admittedly some of the periphery characters changed a bit (Alan and Jake mainly), but they still kept the essence of the show.
Same with Friends, Rachel changed a bit, as did Pheobe and Chandler, but I'd argue that Rachel, Monica and Joey stayed very much as they were at the beginning of the show.
With TBBT they've just watered down everyone's character, removing all the odd, quirky, funny character traits until they're all now just one big goop of average American 30-somethings. They've completely lost the essence of the show and I think TBBT now has the worst character development in any TV show I've watched.
Two and a Half Men - personally I quite like the show and in the ~10 seasons that Charlie Sheen did his character rarely changed, but I'd argue it was just as funny in his last season. Admittedly some of the periphery characters changed a bit (Alan and Jake mainly), but they still kept the essence of the show.
Same with Friends, Rachel changed a bit, as did Pheobe and Chandler, but I'd argue that Rachel, Monica and Joey stayed very much as they were at the beginning of the show.
With TBBT they've just watered down everyone's character, removing all the odd, quirky, funny character traits until they're all now just one big goop of average American 30-somethings. They've completely lost the essence of the show and I think TBBT now has the worst character development in any TV show I've watched.
jammy_basturd said:
Fair enough change the characters, but evolve them into something that's equally as funny.
Two and a Half Men - personally I quite like the show and in the ~10 seasons that Charlie Sheen did his character rarely changed, but I'd argue it was just as funny in his last season. Admittedly some of the periphery characters changed a bit (Alan and Jake mainly), but they still kept the essence of the show.
Same with Friends, Rachel changed a bit, as did Pheobe and Chandler, but I'd argue that Rachel, Monica and Joey stayed very much as they were at the beginning of the show.
With TBBT they've just watered down everyone's character, removing all the odd, quirky, funny character traits until they're all now just one big goop of average American 30-somethings. They've completely lost the essence of the show and I think TBBT now has the worst character development in any TV show I've watched.
I mostly agree, but IMHO Friends went really off the boil in the last series or two - especially after 'the baby' I think that alone with the reason a lot of us here thought TBBT was dead the moment one announced their was a baby due - it's the shark jump of the sit-com.Two and a Half Men - personally I quite like the show and in the ~10 seasons that Charlie Sheen did his character rarely changed, but I'd argue it was just as funny in his last season. Admittedly some of the periphery characters changed a bit (Alan and Jake mainly), but they still kept the essence of the show.
Same with Friends, Rachel changed a bit, as did Pheobe and Chandler, but I'd argue that Rachel, Monica and Joey stayed very much as they were at the beginning of the show.
With TBBT they've just watered down everyone's character, removing all the odd, quirky, funny character traits until they're all now just one big goop of average American 30-somethings. They've completely lost the essence of the show and I think TBBT now has the worst character development in any TV show I've watched.
Halb said:
Watched it. It wasn't awful, it was OK. Karaoke has been done before.
The karaoke sketch went on way too long - almost as if the writers were trying to get as many songs as possible featuring the word baby into the script.The episode was 20+ minutes of nothingness. Where's Kripke when you need him?
nicanary said:
Halb said:
Watched it. It wasn't awful, it was OK. Karaoke has been done before.
The karaoke sketch went on way too long - almost as if the writers were trying to get as many songs as possible featuring the word baby into the script.The episode was 20+ minutes of nothingness. Where's Kripke when you need him?
The only slightly amusing bit was when Leonard commented about two babies in the group.
jammy_basturd said:
With TBBT they've just watered down everyone's character, removing all the odd, quirky, funny character traits until they're all now just one big goop of average American 30-somethings. They've completely lost the essence of the show and I think TBBT now has the worst character development in any TV show I've watched.
I'm actually surprised that considering the ago of the actors it has lasted this long. The actors that play Leonard, Sheldon and Amy are all in their 40's. Penny is a relative youngster at 31.Well, you know what's going to happen next. Amy and Raj will vie for the position of babysitter, and in the process become such tedious and irritating baby-bores that Emily and Sheldon will break up with them. Then Leonard and Penny will argue so much about whether or not to start a family that they'll break up too. So then Raj and Amy will compromise, they'll babysit together and eventually hook up. Leonard and Emily will console each other and hook up. Penny and Sheldon will look at each other, say, "Thank heavens we've got rid of that boring bunch," and live happily ever after.
All totally implausible but what do the writers care about that, they've got to keep it going for two more seasons somehow, in spite of the fact that it should really have been euthanized two seasons ago.
Still, look on the bright side. Sheldon and Penny will get their own show.
All totally implausible but what do the writers care about that, they've got to keep it going for two more seasons somehow, in spite of the fact that it should really have been euthanized two seasons ago.
Still, look on the bright side. Sheldon and Penny will get their own show.
jammy_basturd said:
With TBBT they've just watered down everyone's character, removing all the odd, quirky, funny character traits until they're all now just one big goop of average American 30-somethings. They've completely lost the essence of the show and I think TBBT now has the worst character development in any TV show I've watched.
What I find hard to stomach is the complete switches in character, e.g. Bernadette going from saccharine sweet to shouty and bossy in the space of about two episodes, or Amy starting out like a female Sheldon, then suddenly morphing into a raving nympho. First post in this thread. I've watched BBT since the beginning and I echo a lot of people's comments on here. It's really struggling now and wifey and I rarely laugh at it these days.
If you compare it to the early series, the current episodes are just embarrassingly bad. They claim they don't need to use canned laughter when they film the show, but I just don't believe them.
My guess is the actors are milking it for as much as they can. They have just topped the friends cast for top TV earners. In my opinion Friends was brilliant through its entire run and BBT is going to end when it's well past its best.
BBT is trying to replicate the success of Friends, which is hardly a surprise as some of the friends production team produce BBT.
My money is its will go to series 11
If you compare it to the early series, the current episodes are just embarrassingly bad. They claim they don't need to use canned laughter when they film the show, but I just don't believe them.
My guess is the actors are milking it for as much as they can. They have just topped the friends cast for top TV earners. In my opinion Friends was brilliant through its entire run and BBT is going to end when it's well past its best.
BBT is trying to replicate the success of Friends, which is hardly a surprise as some of the friends production team produce BBT.
My money is its will go to series 11
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