Battlestar Galactica
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Halb said:
Currently watching the final eps, up to S4E17 on Sky2 every Tuesday.
BSG was an epic series and I do not think there is another series that achieved what it did, with it's arc.
Possibly GoT will.
It had a great dénouement, it was flawed yeah, but it hit a lot of spots.
Got me thinking on Starbuck.
After getting up to S4E17 though I do think they totally fudged Starbuck. An escaped Daniel, possibly the original, should have been Kara's dad. And then thanks to her genetics she should have been 'reborn' at the Cylon hub. The Viper would have been hard to do...but then if she was at the hub and they had an old one from the first war? She should have been the first Human/Cylon hybrid.
I thought that was the pretty much accepted theory?BSG was an epic series and I do not think there is another series that achieved what it did, with it's arc.
Possibly GoT will.
It had a great dénouement, it was flawed yeah, but it hit a lot of spots.
Got me thinking on Starbuck.
After getting up to S4E17 though I do think they totally fudged Starbuck. An escaped Daniel, possibly the original, should have been Kara's dad. And then thanks to her genetics she should have been 'reborn' at the Cylon hub. The Viper would have been hard to do...but then if she was at the hub and they had an old one from the first war? She should have been the first Human/Cylon hybrid.
The pianist in the bar aka 'slick' aka Daniel is a projection from Starbuck - hence why when she asks the bartender 'when did you get a new pianist' he looks bemused. The music they play 'all along the watchtower' is the cylon music hence why Saul, Ellen and Tigh can hear it, he taught Starbuck the music when she was young. She is a human / cylong hybrid and has a destiny to fulfil, it is not obvious when you view at first but looking back the seeds are there. He left them when she was young as he was on the run from Cavil. Her mother was always disappointed that she was not top of her class, her flying record was pretty much impecable, she evades death a number of times but when she tries to fulfil her destiny she does die, hence Leoben and her finding the scorched corpse on the planet. The theory as to why she is then resurrected is that by choosing to follow her destiny and ultimately die she has proved herself and is allowed to follow on her chosen path to fulfill her real destiny to lead the humans and cylons to a new planet.
Matt_N said:
I thought that was the pretty much accepted theory?
The pianist in the bar aka 'slick' aka Daniel is a projection from Starbuck - hence why when she asks the bartender 'when did you get a new pianist' he looks bemused. The music they play 'all along the watchtower' is the cylon music hence why Saul, Ellen and Tigh can hear it, he taught Starbuck the music when she was young. She is a human / cylong hybrid and has a destiny to fulfil, it is not obvious when you view at first but looking back the seeds are there. He left them when she was young as he was on the run from Cavil. Her mother was always disappointed that she was not top of her class, her flying record was pretty much impecable, she evades death a number of times but when she tries to fulfil her destiny she does die, hence Leoben and her finding the scorched corpse on the planet. The theory as to why she is then resurrected is that by choosing to follow her destiny and ultimately die she has proved herself and is allowed to follow on her chosen path to fulfill her real destiny to lead the humans and cylons to a new planet.
That is how I imagined it...or wanted it anyway.The pianist in the bar aka 'slick' aka Daniel is a projection from Starbuck - hence why when she asks the bartender 'when did you get a new pianist' he looks bemused. The music they play 'all along the watchtower' is the cylon music hence why Saul, Ellen and Tigh can hear it, he taught Starbuck the music when she was young. She is a human / cylong hybrid and has a destiny to fulfil, it is not obvious when you view at first but looking back the seeds are there. He left them when she was young as he was on the run from Cavil. Her mother was always disappointed that she was not top of her class, her flying record was pretty much impecable, she evades death a number of times but when she tries to fulfil her destiny she does die, hence Leoben and her finding the scorched corpse on the planet. The theory as to why she is then resurrected is that by choosing to follow her destiny and ultimately die she has proved herself and is allowed to follow on her chosen path to fulfill her real destiny to lead the humans and cylons to a new planet.
I hadn't read other theories close to mine own.
I thought in the show, she was 'just an angel' made by the 'head' 6 and Baltar.
I don't think Kara was a Cylon/Human hybrid at all. Angel or something like that due to the nature of the background stuff going on with Caprica and Baltar/Angel versions of them.
The fact that the Viper she comes back in is her Viper, not another Viper, but HERS, and the scene at the very end with Apollo...too much going on for her to be a hybrid.
The fact that the Viper she comes back in is her Viper, not another Viper, but HERS, and the scene at the very end with Apollo...too much going on for her to be a hybrid.
slipstream 1985 said:
still gonna find admiral adama's private rapture parked in his garage in his mudhut.
The essential eps I can watch over.
The mutiny episodes were on a few weeks ago...they were electric!
...and then there is this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdkCpnGMyGw
Doesn't quite get all the good stuff like, 'Adama's back', or when they jump and you don't know where they end up.
Sadly the writers strike killed the pace of the final season - up until the mid-season 'cliff hanger' it was going all so well. When it came back, it was dis-jointed and rather clumsy. The final episode showed how fate (or was it 'divine intervention'?) brought them altogether and how they would ultimately shape the fate of the humans / cylons. That was the only intriguing part.
The original outline for the ending was to be a panning aerial shot of modern day archeologists wandering around a desert / forest dig inside what looks like the outline of a grounded Battlestar.
Oh, and one more thing - the job interview scene for Adama, they claim they know that Cylons are now able to blend in as humans. Thought this wasn't known until the Galactica was stocking up on munitions at the Ragnar facility in the pilot episode where they first come across Leoben.
Still a top series though.
The original outline for the ending was to be a panning aerial shot of modern day archeologists wandering around a desert / forest dig inside what looks like the outline of a grounded Battlestar.
Oh, and one more thing - the job interview scene for Adama, they claim they know that Cylons are now able to blend in as humans. Thought this wasn't known until the Galactica was stocking up on munitions at the Ragnar facility in the pilot episode where they first come across Leoben.
Still a top series though.
DevilYellowCV8 said:
Sadly the writers strike killed the pace of the final season - up until the mid-season 'cliff hanger' it was going all so well. When it came back, it was dis-jointed and rather clumsy. The final episode showed how fate (or was it 'divine intervention'?) brought them altogether and how they would ultimately shape the fate of the humans / cylons. That was the only intriguing part.
The original outline for the ending was to be a panning aerial shot of modern day archeologists wandering around a desert / forest dig inside what looks like the outline of a grounded Battlestar.
Oh, and one more thing - the job interview scene for Adama, they claim they know that Cylons are now able to blend in as humans. Thought this wasn't known until the Galactica was stocking up on munitions at the Ragnar facility in the pilot episode where they first come across Leoben.
Still a top series though.
It's gets really dark in the last ten episodes. The original outline for the ending was to be a panning aerial shot of modern day archeologists wandering around a desert / forest dig inside what looks like the outline of a grounded Battlestar.
Oh, and one more thing - the job interview scene for Adama, they claim they know that Cylons are now able to blend in as humans. Thought this wasn't known until the Galactica was stocking up on munitions at the Ragnar facility in the pilot episode where they first come across Leoben.
Still a top series though.
Moore got rid of that ending because he didn't want the story to be part of our history...or something. Silly.
The final eps will be in a few weeks, I'll watch it then. But in Razor I think the Colonies get an inkling that the Cylons are up to something with synthetics. There is also stuff in the show that alludes to the Colonies not being so clean, like the secret mission Adama was on in (or close to) neutral space.
vrsmxtb said:
Just about to start the final season, got it in the post this morning! Mixed feelings about knowing it's the last bunch of episodes though, can definitely see what all the acclaim was for, great series. Guess I have the spin-offs to enjoy as well which is some consolation.
It isn't. They're s
t.The last series is ace...but grim...eps 12 and 13 (I think) let me know what you think.
Halb said:
vrsmxtb said:
Just about to start the final season, got it in the post this morning! Mixed feelings about knowing it's the last bunch of episodes though, can definitely see what all the acclaim was for, great series. Guess I have the spin-offs to enjoy as well which is some consolation.
It isn't. They're st.The last series is ace...but grim...eps 12 and 13 (I think) let me know what you think.
Halb said:
vrsmxtb said:
Oh really, Caprica and Blood and Chrome no good then?
Caprica tried to pad out way too many episodes, almost the whole series. The last 30 minutes was electric!I did like the social aspects of colony life though.
Blood and Chrome didn't feel like like BSG, only in name.
Studying cyberpunk stuff academically in the late 90's meant I found the virtual world storyline and how it affects society interesting, and how it is actually used for immoral purposes. I guess like the Internet coming to change the world and it being filled with pron and cat pictures.
I also thought the Cylon evolution thing was really well thought out. I thought there was another season in there if they wanted it to bring it up to the start of the war.
Halb said:
The essential eps I can watch over.
The mutiny episodes were on a few weeks ago...they were electric!
...and then there is this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdkCpnGMyGw
Doesn't quite get all the good stuff like, 'Adama's back', or when they jump and you don't know where they end up.
JustinP1 said:
Halb said:
vrsmxtb said:
Oh really, Caprica and Blood and Chrome no good then?
Caprica tried to pad out way too many episodes, almost the whole series. The last 30 minutes was electric!I did like the social aspects of colony life though.
Blood and Chrome didn't feel like like BSG, only in name.
Studying cyberpunk stuff academically in the late 90's meant I found the virtual world storyline and how it affects society interesting, and how it is actually used for immoral purposes. I guess like the Internet coming to change the world and it being filled with pron and cat pictures.
I also thought the Cylon evolution thing was really well thought out. I thought there was another season in there if they wanted it to bring it up to the start of the war.
I would really liked to have seen both run for longer and see the evolution.
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