Battlestar Galactica
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The concept was great, the delivery was less than adequate.
I envisage it as jam poorly spread on a nicely buttered round of toast. It has been spread far far too thin on 90% of the round until the last inch of the bread where there is an inch thick slab of jam. They need to learn how to spread evenly.
The Walking Dead is the same, but with a smaller blob of jam at the end.
I envisage it as jam poorly spread on a nicely buttered round of toast. It has been spread far far too thin on 90% of the round until the last inch of the bread where there is an inch thick slab of jam. They need to learn how to spread evenly.
The Walking Dead is the same, but with a smaller blob of jam at the end.
vrsmxtb said:
Just about to start the final season, got it in the post this morning! Mixed feelings about knowing it's the last bunch of episodes though, can definitely see what all the acclaim was for, great series. Guess I have the spin-offs to enjoy as well which is some consolation.
You also have 'The Plan' to watch after the finale but don't get excited, its really nothing more than a footnote/cash-in on the idea that they would reveal the Cylon plan that was mentioned at the start of every episode. But there didn't really seem to be much of one to reveal.
Marvindodgers said:
Halb said:
The essential eps I can watch over.
The mutiny episodes were on a few weeks ago...they were electric!
...and then there is this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdkCpnGMyGw
Doesn't quite get all the good stuff like, 'Adama's back', or when they jump and you don't know where they end up.
Got sidetracked on a wiki read.
Happened to watch 'Kobol's last gleaming' and started to wonder why the Gods and Humans fell out. Led me on a search.
Sticking this here so I can read it later.
Also got me thinking on the time line.
Why did the humans leave their original planet to found the colonies?
http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/1124/why-...
Happened to watch 'Kobol's last gleaming' and started to wonder why the Gods and Humans fell out. Led me on a search.
Sticking this here so I can read it later.
Also got me thinking on the time line.
Why did the humans leave their original planet to found the colonies?
http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/1124/why-...
Shervin said:
1.On Kobol : Humans Naturally evolve (as far as we know) and 12 "tribes" of humans exist, who create their own Cylons (becoming the 13th tribe)
2.This is where "Man & Gods" lived in Paradise
3.The Gods mentioned here are actually the first naturally evolved humans (as we are told) & the "Man" is referring to the humanoid Cylons... Because the entirety of the Colonial religion is based on Cylon (13th tribe) documentation. (Figured out after Ellen returns to BSG - Also mentioned by Athena : "We know more about your religion than you do..." while searching for Tomb of Athena on Kobol) OR These Gods, could have been Humans, who claimed to be Gods upon the creation of Cylons, and through time even became "False Gods" to the humans themselves, namely Athena, Apollo, Aphrodite etc... (Which COULD explain their despair over the exodus of the 12 tribes & their utter failure) again this is up for debate...
4.At this point on Kobol, an unknown event (most likely a disagreement between cylon & man) causes the "13th" tribe (of cylons) to be exiled from Kobol.
5.The 13th tribe reaches a distant planet and call it "Earth" (Cylon Earth)
6.The 12 tribes are "punished" by the "One True God" for their sins & claims of being "Gods" as "God turned his back on Kobol" (mentioned by Head 6 to Baltar while on Kobol) and experience an apocalyptic disaster (As explained by Mind 6 to Baltar) & are forced into exile them selves.
This COULD be due to the humans sin & refusal to accept Cylons as a sentient being (with souls)* (THIS PART IS OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS AS IT IS NEVER CLEARLY EXPLAINED IN THE SHOW & WE ARE ONLY TOLD THAT GOD PUNISHED MAN ON KOBOL)
7.By this time, the 13th tribe of Cylons (who have now become humanoid & procreate naturally) have created their own mechanical servants, who rebel against them
8.Prior to this rebellion the "final 5" (Anders, Tory, Tigh, Ellen & Tyrol) are warned. (By what Sam claims to be angels that only they could see). ("Ellen, you saw a man, I saw a woman...") This is most likely a reference to Head 6 & Head Baltar that appear to Baltar & Six throughout the show)
9.The 5 "re-create" resurrection (as mentioned by Anders again - This means that the 13th tribe WERE in fact humanoid for a LONG time but could not procreate naturally on Kobol, and could be the reason for their exile as Humans were either envious or thought it blasphemous because procreation is one of Gods commendments)
10.Upon their resurrection they intend to return to their lost brothers & sisters of the 12 tribes to warn them that they MUST treat their mechanical creations with kindness & fairness in order to avoid a holocaust they experienced on "Cylon Earth"
11.Because they travelled at Sub-Light speed, it took them thousands of years to reach the 12 colonies, and upon their arrival they realize that they are too late & their brothers & sisters are already & war with the robotic Cylons (created in Caprica series).
12.During which the robotic Cylons of the 12 colonies attempt to create humanoid models, but have only achieved creating Hybrids (This too is mentioned by Anders)
13.Therefore, in order to stop the war the Five decide to give the (12, 13-1) humanoid models to the Cylons (1 for each tribe & give them resurrection as they too were unable to procreate naturally (lacking sympathy & love as their Kobolian ancestors once did)
14.It is at this point that they introduce these humanoid models with the idea of a singular loving God (Possibly in an attempt to enable them to procreate naturally *but certainly to avoid having the 13 models deify their creators as their own ancesstors once did the humans(?) mentioned by Cavel to Ellen upon her resurrection after New Caprica*) (Also because if they had in fact communicated with "angels" (whether in the form of Baltar & 6 or not) then they truly DID believe in the same God that Baltar comes to accept).
15.John/Cavel, refusing to accept the "human nature" embedded within him, is affected by THE most human attribute of jealousy & kills Daniels entire line; traps his creators & suffocates them, planting them with false "human" memories and introduces them on the 12 colonies as individual humans in order to prove to them that humans ARE indeed cruel and innately evil. (He may have also did the same with the other 11 models in order to remove their memory of the truth to carry out his "plan".
16.The show begins...
2.This is where "Man & Gods" lived in Paradise
3.The Gods mentioned here are actually the first naturally evolved humans (as we are told) & the "Man" is referring to the humanoid Cylons... Because the entirety of the Colonial religion is based on Cylon (13th tribe) documentation. (Figured out after Ellen returns to BSG - Also mentioned by Athena : "We know more about your religion than you do..." while searching for Tomb of Athena on Kobol) OR These Gods, could have been Humans, who claimed to be Gods upon the creation of Cylons, and through time even became "False Gods" to the humans themselves, namely Athena, Apollo, Aphrodite etc... (Which COULD explain their despair over the exodus of the 12 tribes & their utter failure) again this is up for debate...
4.At this point on Kobol, an unknown event (most likely a disagreement between cylon & man) causes the "13th" tribe (of cylons) to be exiled from Kobol.
5.The 13th tribe reaches a distant planet and call it "Earth" (Cylon Earth)
6.The 12 tribes are "punished" by the "One True God" for their sins & claims of being "Gods" as "God turned his back on Kobol" (mentioned by Head 6 to Baltar while on Kobol) and experience an apocalyptic disaster (As explained by Mind 6 to Baltar) & are forced into exile them selves.
This COULD be due to the humans sin & refusal to accept Cylons as a sentient being (with souls)* (THIS PART IS OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS AS IT IS NEVER CLEARLY EXPLAINED IN THE SHOW & WE ARE ONLY TOLD THAT GOD PUNISHED MAN ON KOBOL)
7.By this time, the 13th tribe of Cylons (who have now become humanoid & procreate naturally) have created their own mechanical servants, who rebel against them
8.Prior to this rebellion the "final 5" (Anders, Tory, Tigh, Ellen & Tyrol) are warned. (By what Sam claims to be angels that only they could see). ("Ellen, you saw a man, I saw a woman...") This is most likely a reference to Head 6 & Head Baltar that appear to Baltar & Six throughout the show)
9.The 5 "re-create" resurrection (as mentioned by Anders again - This means that the 13th tribe WERE in fact humanoid for a LONG time but could not procreate naturally on Kobol, and could be the reason for their exile as Humans were either envious or thought it blasphemous because procreation is one of Gods commendments)
10.Upon their resurrection they intend to return to their lost brothers & sisters of the 12 tribes to warn them that they MUST treat their mechanical creations with kindness & fairness in order to avoid a holocaust they experienced on "Cylon Earth"
11.Because they travelled at Sub-Light speed, it took them thousands of years to reach the 12 colonies, and upon their arrival they realize that they are too late & their brothers & sisters are already & war with the robotic Cylons (created in Caprica series).
12.During which the robotic Cylons of the 12 colonies attempt to create humanoid models, but have only achieved creating Hybrids (This too is mentioned by Anders)
13.Therefore, in order to stop the war the Five decide to give the (12, 13-1) humanoid models to the Cylons (1 for each tribe & give them resurrection as they too were unable to procreate naturally (lacking sympathy & love as their Kobolian ancestors once did)
14.It is at this point that they introduce these humanoid models with the idea of a singular loving God (Possibly in an attempt to enable them to procreate naturally *but certainly to avoid having the 13 models deify their creators as their own ancesstors once did the humans(?) mentioned by Cavel to Ellen upon her resurrection after New Caprica*) (Also because if they had in fact communicated with "angels" (whether in the form of Baltar & 6 or not) then they truly DID believe in the same God that Baltar comes to accept).
15.John/Cavel, refusing to accept the "human nature" embedded within him, is affected by THE most human attribute of jealousy & kills Daniels entire line; traps his creators & suffocates them, planting them with false "human" memories and introduces them on the 12 colonies as individual humans in order to prove to them that humans ARE indeed cruel and innately evil. (He may have also did the same with the other 11 models in order to remove their memory of the truth to carry out his "plan".
16.The show begins...
Well I finally finished BSG including Razor and The Plan.
I did think the final season started to run out of steam a little, and have to say didn't feel either of the TV movies added anything to the series itself, especially The Plan. In general though it was one of the best bits of sci-fi I've seen in a long time, and I have to say I actually quite enjoyed the ending, I know Ron Moore got some stick for it from the fans.
Deciding what to move on to next now! Just watched True Detective in under a week.
I did think the final season started to run out of steam a little, and have to say didn't feel either of the TV movies added anything to the series itself, especially The Plan. In general though it was one of the best bits of sci-fi I've seen in a long time, and I have to say I actually quite enjoyed the ending, I know Ron Moore got some stick for it from the fans.
Deciding what to move on to next now! Just watched True Detective in under a week.
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