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FredClogs said:
ashleyman said:
Has it been explained at all in Luther why he lives in a council flat that’s falling to pieces and drives an 80’s Volvo?
Or is that realistic based on today’s Police wages?
His boss was driving an aged 7 series as well and he's a Chief Inspector. Or is that realistic based on today’s Police wages?
Seems to be the way things are in fictional London cop shows, the character in Stan Lees Lucky Man drives and wrecks a seemingly endless supply of E28 bmws. Sometimes blue, sometimes red.
I didn't watch seasons 1 to 4, so this season was my first watch of Luther. My main impression is that it was utterly implausible. Example; where does Alice get a full on military machine gun from? Why is Luther so bothered about shooting the assassin when it's clear the lethal bullet came from George? How on earth would Luther emerge from episode 1's beating feeling "just a bit tired"? How does Jeremy have a brain tumour that allows him to function yet turns him in to a psycho killer - what sort of tumour does that? Why does no-one ever check on where Luther is, what he's doing, etc.? And the whole George/Alice/Luther storyline was crazy.
In short, the writer was trying too hard; the psycho story, carefully played out, would have been enough. As it was, the show was just a bit of a mess.
In short, the writer was trying too hard; the psycho story, carefully played out, would have been enough. As it was, the show was just a bit of a mess.
Brave Fart said:
I didn't watch seasons 1 to 4, so this season was my first watch of Luther. My main impression is that it was utterly implausible. Example; where does Alice get a full on military machine gun from? Why is Luther so bothered about shooting the assassin when it's clear the lethal bullet came from George? How on earth would Luther emerge from episode 1's beating feeling "just a bit tired"? How does Jeremy have a brain tumour that allows him to function yet turns him in to a psycho killer - what sort of tumour does that? Why does no-one ever check on where Luther is, what he's doing, etc.? And the whole George/Alice/Luther storyline was crazy.
In short, the writer was trying too hard; the psycho story, carefully played out, would have been enough. As it was, the show was just a bit of a mess.
The brain tumour was in his frontal lobe, the part of the brain responsible for behaviour. Look up Phineas Gage.In short, the writer was trying too hard; the psycho story, carefully played out, would have been enough. As it was, the show was just a bit of a mess.
As for the other stuff, and the other posts about why do they have old cars - it's a stylistic choice. Would they really have them? Probably not. But then...
Could someone really have got away with hanging up a body in the middle of London? Probably not. Could Luther really have caught up with the 'killer' in the earlier episode before the police shooters? Probably not. Could Luther have undone the bolt on the chair then escape the group of thugs? Probably not. Would a high ranking officer really live in a s
t hole? Probably not. Could Alice really have walked in dressed as a prositute completely unquestioned? Probably not.To me these things don't matter, as it's the kind of show where do your best to you suspend your disbelief, sit back and enjoy it for what it is.
But there does come a point where it is simply impossible to suspend disbelief because it is so stupid. Silent Witness crossed this line some years back. So I just hope they don't carry on too much longer with Luther because it feels inevitable that it will reach this point soon.
Brave Fart said:
I didn't watch seasons 1 to 4, so this season was my first watch of Luther. My main impression is that it was utterly implausible. Example; where does Alice get a full on military machine gun from? Why is Luther so bothered about shooting the assassin when it's clear the lethal bullet came from George? How on earth would Luther emerge from episode 1's beating feeling "just a bit tired"? How does Jeremy have a brain tumour that allows him to function yet turns him in to a psycho killer - what sort of tumour does that? Why does no-one ever check on where Luther is, what he's doing, etc.? And the whole George/Alice/Luther storyline was crazy.
In short, the writer was trying too hard; the psycho story, carefully played out, would have been enough. As it was, the show was just a bit of a mess.
watch season 1 - you get to see the characters develop more and its more of a conventional plot which personally I preferred In short, the writer was trying too hard; the psycho story, carefully played out, would have been enough. As it was, the show was just a bit of a mess.
I feel like with this S5 they have run out of ideas somewhat
Brave Fart said:
Example; where does Alice get a full on military machine gun from?
What made me raise an eyebrow more was the fact armed police were sneaking up on the house when she started shooting. Did they panic, or try to find the shooter? Nope, calmly carried on into the house.That said, I enjoyed it for what it is.
Brave Fart said:
Why is Luther so bothered about shooting the assassin when it's clear the lethal bullet came from George?
And why did he hand the gun back to George, just to give him something to hold over him, instead of keeping it?I enjoyed it as much as I always enjoy it, as someone else said, like many things you just have to take it as it is, I doubt it would be as good if he was forever filling in paperwork or going on awareness courses.
i was left a bit underwhelmed if I'm honest - it just got tied up too nicely in terms of the murder case and the george / luther / alice thing meant it was neither one thing (a murder case) or another (a relationship / circumstantial situation) - it tried to do both and fell short on both imho.
not sure the female detective murder at the end added anything either - it felt a bit sensatioanlist and the script started to fall apart towards the end too I felt.
not sure the female detective murder at the end added anything either - it felt a bit sensatioanlist and the script started to fall apart towards the end too I felt.
mooseracer said:
Brave Fart said:
Example; where does Alice get a full on military machine gun from?
What made me raise an eyebrow more was the fact armed police were sneaking up on the house when she started shooting. Did they panic, or try to find the shooter? Nope, calmly carried on into the house.That said, I enjoyed it for what it is.
She had a machine gun, pointed at him, all that was in the way was a patio door, and he was completely unscathed.
budgie smuggler said:
Could someone really have got away with hanging up a body in the middle of London? Probably not. Could Luther really have caught up with the 'killer' in the earlier episode before the police shooters? Probably not. Could Luther have undone the bolt on the chair then escape the group of thugs? Probably not. Would a high ranking officer really live in a st hole? Probably not. Could Alice really have walked in dressed as a prositute completely unquestioned? Probably not.
To me these things don't matter, as it's the kind of show where do your best to you suspend your disbelief, sit back and enjoy it for what it is.
But there does come a point where it is simply impossible to suspend disbelief because it is so stupid.
well putt hole? Probably not. Could Alice really have walked in dressed as a prositute completely unquestioned? Probably not.To me these things don't matter, as it's the kind of show where do your best to you suspend your disbelief, sit back and enjoy it for what it is.
But there does come a point where it is simply impossible to suspend disbelief because it is so stupid.
I enjoy Luther and was looking forward to this. Waited till all 4 saved in planner. In the interim read a review in Telegraph which really slagged it off, saying it was stuck in the past and resorted to gruesome violence. Watched all 4 back to back and was forced to agree slightly.
I can suspend disbelief for the rogue cop / Alice storyline, but these days a drama can't be both gritty and ludicrous without annoying me.
The murderer walking through streets of London following the victim who is running (so would never catch him).
The stupidity of SO19 marksmen not surrounding the target
Luther shot in shoulder and torso whilst fighting on
A Jag with cloth seats
All a bit too silly
Nom de ploom said:
i was left a bit underwhelmed if I'm honest - it just got tied up too nicely in terms of the murder case and the george / luther / alice thing meant it was neither one thing (a murder case) or another (a relationship / circumstantial situation) - it tried to do both and fell short on both imho.
not sure the female detective murder at the end added anything either - it felt a bit sensatioanlist and the script started to fall apart towards the end too I felt.
That nicely sums up how I get afterwards too. Underwhelmed. Almost disappointed. The first 3.5 episodes were great, but the last 30min was...not. not sure the female detective murder at the end added anything either - it felt a bit sensatioanlist and the script started to fall apart towards the end too I felt.
Occam's Razor said:
Nom de ploom said:
i was left a bit underwhelmed if I'm honest - it just got tied up too nicely in terms of the murder case and the george / luther / alice thing meant it was neither one thing (a murder case) or another (a relationship / circumstantial situation) - it tried to do both and fell short on both imho.
not sure the female detective murder at the end added anything either - it felt a bit sensatioanlist and the script started to fall apart towards the end too I felt.
That nicely sums up how I get afterwards too. Underwhelmed. Almost disappointed. The first 3.5 episodes were great, but the last 30min was...not. not sure the female detective murder at the end added anything either - it felt a bit sensatioanlist and the script started to fall apart towards the end too I felt.
Nom de ploom said:
not sure the female detective murder at the end added anything either - it felt a bit sensatioanlist and the script started to fall apart towards the end too I felt.
Big shame that - I liked her character and they seemed to work well together (or at least keep her investigation going while Luther was rampaging around London getting his friends and colleagues shot). Last episode was just really, really stupid. And as someone says above more like batman than anything resembling a real crime drama.prand said:
Nom de ploom said:
not sure the female detective murder at the end added anything either - it felt a bit sensatioanlist and the script started to fall apart towards the end too I felt.
Big shame that - I liked her character and they seemed to work well together (or at least keep her investigation going while Luther was rampaging around London getting his friends and colleagues shot). Last episode was just really, really stupid. And as someone says above more like batman than anything resembling a real crime drama.As lenny henry said there is only a small quota of black success allowed on the bbc.
Added nothing to the story and was just spite really.
Probably why they dropped F1 as a multicultural fella was doing well.
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