Sherlock - BBC1
Discussion
Madness60 said:
Big fan of Sherlock with MiniMadness an even bigger fan.
This series started ok, got better with Toby Jones but last night was a bit too much Saw, Crystal Maze navel gazing for me.
Long running series always used to get comments about always sorting out the problem/case/space time continium in one episode with no real long term consequences. When some series started to include a bit more of an arc over the series I jumped back on and looked forward to how it was all tied up. Now I do realise that finishing a series on a cliffhangar and then eventually wrapping it up cannot be done easily and however its done you get some differing reactions (Battlestar Galactica, great ending for me but not for a lot of other fans).
However Moffat really seems to be having more and more convoluted plot lines for a series arc, especially in Dr Who and this seems to spread to Sherlock. The first 2 series had the Moriarty arcs but this one just didn't work for me. Attempted to be too clever and asked us to accept too many retcons and jumps in belief. Not one but two hidden siblings which Sherlock cannot remember. To top it all the wrap up was rubbish.
When it was good it was brilliant, when it was bad it was really bad!
I started watching over my laptop about halfway through, I thought redbeard was a friend, not another brother?This series started ok, got better with Toby Jones but last night was a bit too much Saw, Crystal Maze navel gazing for me.
Long running series always used to get comments about always sorting out the problem/case/space time continium in one episode with no real long term consequences. When some series started to include a bit more of an arc over the series I jumped back on and looked forward to how it was all tied up. Now I do realise that finishing a series on a cliffhangar and then eventually wrapping it up cannot be done easily and however its done you get some differing reactions (Battlestar Galactica, great ending for me but not for a lot of other fans).
However Moffat really seems to be having more and more convoluted plot lines for a series arc, especially in Dr Who and this seems to spread to Sherlock. The first 2 series had the Moriarty arcs but this one just didn't work for me. Attempted to be too clever and asked us to accept too many retcons and jumps in belief. Not one but two hidden siblings which Sherlock cannot remember. To top it all the wrap up was rubbish.
When it was good it was brilliant, when it was bad it was really bad!
I was happy to see the parents involved and a lil reality brought back in
Disastrous said:
Also, how come one of the smartest detectives in the world was unable to tell the difference between glass and thin air?? Pathetic! 
It's very difficult sometimes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-KhOAgPlQ4
Jesus - no one could have buggered up The Prisoner as badly as that!
One of the problems with this programme is that people don't stay dead. You know that if they want a character back they'll make up a load of old b
ks about how they miraculously survived, which means there are no stakes. Seeing John Watson get shot isn't harrowing when you know he'll be just fine next week.
ks about how they miraculously survived, which means there are no stakes. Seeing John Watson get shot isn't harrowing when you know he'll be just fine next week.Yep I was thinking this has got too much like Dr Who and seeing the same people are involved confirms why.
Way too much focus on uber-villans and Holmes being some sort of oracle. From what I remember when the original stories had Moriarty connections it was the occasional normal criminal event being instigated by him and was much more in the background and didn't affect the actual deductions or outcomes. These days it seems everything has to have some over-the-top villlan going toe-to-toe with Holmes.
Be interested to see someone like Anthony Horowitz take this over. He has the love of the original stories , the ability to create new ones and the intelligence to write proper detective stories.
Way too much focus on uber-villans and Holmes being some sort of oracle. From what I remember when the original stories had Moriarty connections it was the occasional normal criminal event being instigated by him and was much more in the background and didn't affect the actual deductions or outcomes. These days it seems everything has to have some over-the-top villlan going toe-to-toe with Holmes.
Be interested to see someone like Anthony Horowitz take this over. He has the love of the original stories , the ability to create new ones and the intelligence to write proper detective stories.
FourWheelDrift said:
It's very difficult sometimes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-KhOAgPlQ4
Makes me wonder how many times poor, Buddy has clocked his noggin against the glass door.
ash73 said:
... the glass trick was nicely done...
What was the trick? I watched for an hour before switching over but must have missed it. ETA: Surely you don't mean that it was there all the time except when she walked straight through it when she jump on Sherlock?
Edited by RichB on Monday 16th January 22:34
SGirl said:
So. If Moffatt and Gatiss can just park their egos for five minutes, leave out all references to Moriarty, Euros and Mary and just get back to Sherlock and Watson, with Lestrade and a bit of Mycroft, Molly and Mrs Hudson thrown in, they could certainly write more Sherlocks and I for one would be happy to watch.
Totally agree with this. I enjoyed watching when they were solving crimes, but the Holmes family spiral was just dull. 
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