Sherlock - BBC1
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Odie said:
No a clever man puts the poison into both goblets and has already taken the anti-dote, as per the film your quoting, which is what he actually did (the princess bride, someone mentioned it earlier).
Actually, the Man in Black had built up an immunity to iocane powder. Great film.Odie said:
No a clever man puts the poison into both goblets and has already taken the anti-dote, as per the film your quoting, which is what he actually did (the princess bride, someone mentioned it earlier).
See also Dorothy L Sayer, "Strong Poison".When he said he had a brain aneurism, I grasped totally the wrong straw and started thinking about Foxglove and how some of it's chemicals can have 2 totally opposite results, and that maybe the guy was on 1 of the 2 to start with to control his condition, and the opposite was in the jar. Maybe I didn't see that, but it didn't seem to be explained. I couldn't imagine the 'real' Sherlock Holmes falling for that trick.
Morningside said:
Seemed ok. Liked the photography for a while although I am NOT a fan of harsh focusing (seems to be the in thing now everything has gone HD). Loved the tilt shift view as well.
The HUD display of thoughts was good - Sure I have seen it before, but still good.
Tilt shift is very in vogue at the moment, HUD is not new though, although I'm not pretending he started it, but David Fincher's Fight Club did it famously, on Ikea on Consumerism, I last saw it used in Zombieland.The HUD display of thoughts was good - Sure I have seen it before, but still good.
Edited by Morningside on Monday 26th July 17:09
Odie said:
Alex said:
Odie said:
I thought it was good, clearly a rip off of the film mind but that doesnt hurt.
As for the pills, could they have been both the same? due to the medical condition of the taxi driver they wouldnt have the same effect on the taxi driver as on a healthy person.
"But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me."As for the pills, could they have been both the same? due to the medical condition of the taxi driver they wouldnt have the same effect on the taxi driver as on a healthy person.
Manks said:
It was far better than expected and for that reason I found myself overlooking its weakneses - like the taxi driver plot being a bit daft / not bearing scrutiny.
That part of the plot was in the original Sir Arthur Conan Doyle storySir Arthur Conan Doyle said:
there was a tap at the door, and the spokesman of the street Arabs, young Wiggins, introduced his insignificant and unsavoury person.
"Please, sir," he said, touching his forelock, I have the cab downstairs."
"Good boy," said Holmes, blandly. Why don't you introduce this pattern at Scotland Yard?" he continued, taking a pair of steel handcuffs from a drawer. "See how beautifully the spring works. They fasten in an instant."
"The old pattern is good enough," remarked Lestrade, "if we can only find the man to put them on."
"Very good, very good," said Holmes, smiling. "The cabman may as well help me with my boxes. Just ask him to step up, Wiggins."
I was surprised to find my companion speaking as though he were about to set out on a journey, since he had not said anything to me about it. There was a small portmanteau in the room, and this he pulled out and began to strap. He was busily engaged at it when the cabman entered the room.
"Just give me a help with this buckle, cabman," he said, kneeling over his task, and never turning his head.
The fellow came forward with a somewhat sullen, defiant air, and put down his hands to assist. At that instant there was a sharp click, the jangling of metal, and Sherlock Holmes sprang to his feet again.
"Gentlemen," he cried, with flashing eyes, let me introduce you to Mr. Jefferson Hope, the murderer of Enoch Drebber and of Joseph Stangerson."
The whole thing occurred in a moment -- so quickly that I had no time to realize it. I have a vivid recollection of that instant, of Holmes's triumphant expression and the ring of his voice, of the cabman's dazed, savage face, as he glared at the glittering handcuffs, which had appeared as if by magic upon his wrists.
I heard recently that Sherlock Holmes was the most adapted / most filmed character in literary history? Not sure of the truth of this, but there are rather a lot of films and TV series that I can recall. I would recommend the original books to anyone, in fact in case you fancy listening to some talking books in the car, here's a link to a free version: Sherlock Holmes Collection"Please, sir," he said, touching his forelock, I have the cab downstairs."
"Good boy," said Holmes, blandly. Why don't you introduce this pattern at Scotland Yard?" he continued, taking a pair of steel handcuffs from a drawer. "See how beautifully the spring works. They fasten in an instant."
"The old pattern is good enough," remarked Lestrade, "if we can only find the man to put them on."
"Very good, very good," said Holmes, smiling. "The cabman may as well help me with my boxes. Just ask him to step up, Wiggins."
I was surprised to find my companion speaking as though he were about to set out on a journey, since he had not said anything to me about it. There was a small portmanteau in the room, and this he pulled out and began to strap. He was busily engaged at it when the cabman entered the room.
"Just give me a help with this buckle, cabman," he said, kneeling over his task, and never turning his head.
The fellow came forward with a somewhat sullen, defiant air, and put down his hands to assist. At that instant there was a sharp click, the jangling of metal, and Sherlock Holmes sprang to his feet again.
"Gentlemen," he cried, with flashing eyes, let me introduce you to Mr. Jefferson Hope, the murderer of Enoch Drebber and of Joseph Stangerson."
The whole thing occurred in a moment -- so quickly that I had no time to realize it. I have a vivid recollection of that instant, of Holmes's triumphant expression and the ring of his voice, of the cabman's dazed, savage face, as he glared at the glittering handcuffs, which had appeared as if by magic upon his wrists.
I watched with low expectation - Sherlock Holmes in modern times, there are oh so many ways of screwing it up.
But enjoyed it from start to finish. All characters excellent, although something nags that Watson should ALWAYS have a moustache.
Can't wait for next weeks, and praying it does more than a single 3 episode season.
For me it's replaced Dr Who quite nicely which I enjoyed up until the last series which I thought aimed very squarely at the child audience and didn't give so much as a nod to the grown ups that the last couple of Doctors have had. Also really dislike the "Look At Me" new assistant girl.
But enjoyed it from start to finish. All characters excellent, although something nags that Watson should ALWAYS have a moustache.
Can't wait for next weeks, and praying it does more than a single 3 episode season.
For me it's replaced Dr Who quite nicely which I enjoyed up until the last series which I thought aimed very squarely at the child audience and didn't give so much as a nod to the grown ups that the last couple of Doctors have had. Also really dislike the "Look At Me" new assistant girl.
Northern Munkee said:
It struck me, that BBC couldn't afford to do a Guy Ritchie's Sherlock Holmes (for TV), the music was a rip off of the movie, and all that period setting costs a fortune to do, which the Beeb can't afford.
The Beeb churns out period drama, it's one of it's crowns. They just wanted to do an updated version.Really enjoying this - I wasn't expecting to think much of it, but gave it a chance last week and thoroughly enjoyed it. As has been said, you can tell it's from the same stock as Dr Who, but this doesn't detract from it at all. Perhaps there's a little too much action from Sherlock himself, but the other scenes are excellent.
There are very few programmes that I'll actually sit and watch - particularly new dramas (because they're usually utter tat), but this is one. I'm really enjoying it. I think the cast is excellent and well-chosen (good to see Rupert Graves around) - especially the lead, although blokey from 'League of Gentleman' is a little unbelievable in his character - he's trying a bit too hard. Perhaps he'll settle in. The camera work is very good too - quite often Brits trying to do moody and atmospheric (a la the US) fails miserably, but it really works on this. I like the modicum of humour which pops up every now and again too
The only thing I don't get is how Holmes and Watson get access to the places they do, when they're not Polizei. This may have been covered in the first episode (I missed the beginning)?
First new drama worth the license fee, to come out of the Beeb for a loooooong time
The only thing I don't get is how Holmes and Watson get access to the places they do, when they're not Polizei. This may have been covered in the first episode (I missed the beginning)?
First new drama worth the license fee, to come out of the Beeb for a loooooong time
Edited by DitaVonCheese on Sunday 8th August 22:47
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