Sherlock - BBC1
Discussion
Me and my wife looked forward to watching this, my wife especially. I thought that it was going to be one-off special, set in the late Victorian era, and not a modern Sherlock's drug-fuelled hallucination.
First half was great, but during the second half my wife fell asleep. And I admit that I lost interest. Moriarty's over acting grated, too...
First half was great, but during the second half my wife fell asleep. And I admit that I lost interest. Moriarty's over acting grated, too...
Legacywr said:
I'm glad I watched Kingsmen instead. I have recorded Sherlock, but because this thread has gone how it has, I may not bother watching it!
One should never allow opinion on Pistonheads to influence one. Watch it for what it is, a great bit of TV during a dearth of anything worth watching over the last week...... then come on Pistonheads afterwards for the argument about it
loafer123 said:
First Stephen Moffat ruined Doctor Who and now Sherlock.
Too clever by half spoiling what could have been good.
His stories are like The Emperor's New Clothes. We're supposed to think they're clever and so everyone says they are because no one dares stand up and say they're rubbish and don't make sense. People like to show off how clever they are by saying they can see clues and plot twists. If you do say it's all nonsensical people jump on you and say you're not intelligent enough to understand it and you get ridiculed. No one can actually explain what the story is in any episode of Dr Who or in this episode of Sherlock. Too clever by half spoiling what could have been good.
As far as I can see it was all supposed to have been a dream, which is the quintessential bad ending of a story and the very last way a writer should consider as an ending.
A lot of women objected to Sherlock Holmes pompously telling the suffragettes, who looked like the Klu-Klux-Klan, what their cause was and what they were fighting for.
Blakewater said:
No one can actually explain what the story is in any episode of Dr Who or in this episode of Sherlock.
As far as I can see it was all supposed to have been a dream, which is the quintessential bad ending of a story and the very last way a writer should consider as an ending.
A lot of women objected to Sherlock Holmes pompously telling the suffragettes, who looked like the Klu-Klux-Klan, what their cause was and what they were fighting for.
Whilst I agree with you I think the story was [SPOILER ALERT]As far as I can see it was all supposed to have been a dream, which is the quintessential bad ending of a story and the very last way a writer should consider as an ending.
A lot of women objected to Sherlock Holmes pompously telling the suffragettes, who looked like the Klu-Klux-Klan, what their cause was and what they were fighting for.
[Modern day]
Moriarty seems to have come back from the dead after having blown his brains out. In order to figure out "how" Sherlock mantally revisits the case of "The Abominable Bride" which also features somebody coming back from the dead. Sherlock solves mystery and confirms that it's all just a trick.
We enjoyed it. Sharp dialog, some good funny bits, action and a good twisty plot. It held together and made sense as far as I understood it, and leads very nicely into the next series without pulling impossible rabbits out of hats (Moriarty is dead, simples). Good Christmas viewing as far as I'm concerned.
Blakewater said:
His stories are like The Emperor's New Clothes. We're supposed to think they're clever and so everyone says they are because no one dares stand up and say they're rubbish and don't make sense. People like to show off how clever they are by saying they can see clues and plot twists. If you do say it's all nonsensical people jump on you and say you're not intelligent enough to understand it and you get ridiculed. No one can actually explain what the story is in any episode of Dr Who or in this episode of Sherlock.
As far as I can see it was all supposed to have been a dream, which is the quintessential bad ending of a story and the very last way a writer should consider as an ending.
A lot of women objected to Sherlock Holmes pompously telling the suffragettes, who looked like the Klu-Klux-Klan, what their cause was and what they were fighting for.
Not guilty of showing off but I will confess to having a different opinion to your own. You could try the off button perhaps ? It was indeed all a dream (or actually a dream inside a dream) so well done for spotting that anyway. As far as I can see it was all supposed to have been a dream, which is the quintessential bad ending of a story and the very last way a writer should consider as an ending.
A lot of women objected to Sherlock Holmes pompously telling the suffragettes, who looked like the Klu-Klux-Klan, what their cause was and what they were fighting for.
Going to watch it again, so many things benefit from a rematch to pick up on stuff missed the first time. Some things, like The Wire and Fargo, even though you've followed the plot there's things that you go "Ah now that explains...!" Being a shallow oik it may turn out that a rewatch of Sherlock may turn a "What the juddering f...!" into "First impression correct" and the delete button pressed.
coppice said:
Blakewater said:
His stories are like The Emperor's New Clothes. We're supposed to think they're clever and so everyone says they are because no one dares stand up and say they're rubbish and don't make sense. People like to show off how clever they are by saying they can see clues and plot twists. If you do say it's all nonsensical people jump on you and say you're not intelligent enough to understand it and you get ridiculed. No one can actually explain what the story is in any episode of Dr Who or in this episode of Sherlock.
As far as I can see it was all supposed to have been a dream, which is the quintessential bad ending of a story and the very last way a writer should consider as an ending.
A lot of women objected to Sherlock Holmes pompously telling the suffragettes, who looked like the Klu-Klux-Klan, what their cause was and what they were fighting for.
Not guilty of showing off but I will confess to having a different opinion to your own. You could try the off button perhaps ? It was indeed all a dream (or actually a dream inside a dream) so well done for spotting that anyway. As far as I can see it was all supposed to have been a dream, which is the quintessential bad ending of a story and the very last way a writer should consider as an ending.
A lot of women objected to Sherlock Holmes pompously telling the suffragettes, who looked like the Klu-Klux-Klan, what their cause was and what they were fighting for.
My reference to people showing off was in consideration of very defensive, and even aggressive comments on social media from people saying those who didn't like it need to read more books. I understand what's being referred to in the original stories but I still don't like the construction of the current shows.
Blakewater said:
coppice said:
Blakewater said:
His stories are like The Emperor's New Clothes. We're supposed to think they're clever and so everyone says they are because no one dares stand up and say they're rubbish and don't make sense. People like to show off how clever they are by saying they can see clues and plot twists. If you do say it's all nonsensical people jump on you and say you're not intelligent enough to understand it and you get ridiculed. No one can actually explain what the story is in any episode of Dr Who or in this episode of Sherlock.
As far as I can see it was all supposed to have been a dream, which is the quintessential bad ending of a story and the very last way a writer should consider as an ending.
A lot of women objected to Sherlock Holmes pompously telling the suffragettes, who looked like the Klu-Klux-Klan, what their cause was and what they were fighting for.
Not guilty of showing off but I will confess to having a different opinion to your own. You could try the off button perhaps ? It was indeed all a dream (or actually a dream inside a dream) so well done for spotting that anyway. As far as I can see it was all supposed to have been a dream, which is the quintessential bad ending of a story and the very last way a writer should consider as an ending.
A lot of women objected to Sherlock Holmes pompously telling the suffragettes, who looked like the Klu-Klux-Klan, what their cause was and what they were fighting for.
My reference to people showing off was in consideration of very defensive, and even aggressive comments on social media from people saying those who didn't like it need to read more books. I understand what's being referred to in the original stories but I still don't like the construction of the current shows.
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