Sherlock - BBC1
Discussion
Jonesy23 said:
...Maybe the next one might be better, though to be honest I suspect any story not based off one of the classics is going to be more about the writer indulging themselves rather than anything decent.
tend to agree. What it shows is that Gatiss is no Agatha Christie or Conan Doyle when it comes to crime/whodunits! 
Jonesy23 said:
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Maybe the next one might be better, though to be honest I suspect any story not based off one of the classics is going to be more about the writer indulging themselves rather than anything decent.
The next one is going to spend too much time with John feeling sorry for himself ( and hating Sherlock, why a promise?) and Sherlock trying to make up etc etc.Maybe the next one might be better, though to be honest I suspect any story not based off one of the classics is going to be more about the writer indulging themselves rather than anything decent.
Turned it into a soap opera
Edited by Pesty on Sunday 1st January 23:05
RichB said:
Jonesy23 said:
...Maybe the next one might be better, though to be honest I suspect any story not based off one of the classics is going to be more about the writer indulging themselves rather than anything decent.
tend to agree. What it shows is that Gatiss is no Agatha Christie or Conan Doyle when it comes to crime/whodunits! I think the show is heading the same way as Dr Who. It's head is going up its own backside by making things overly complicated.
The 5 minutes at the beginning, with the silly, petty bickering between SH and MH was ridiculous. In the early episodes SH was portrayed as a genius with childish/immature tendencies, whereas now it's 90% childish tantrums. And the tbilisi storyline was also ridiculous; the super secret ninja assassin takes a long random-chance trip between various different continents only to be found quite easily by SH who in turn has been followed quite easily by another super secret ninja assassin.
The sub-plot about the boy in the Focus was also ridiculous. Why didn't the latex stick to the body as it was melting? How was he sending a Youtube video via Skype? Just lots of made up things which don't stand up to analysis.
TL:DR - load of rubbish living off past episodes much like Dr Who.
The 5 minutes at the beginning, with the silly, petty bickering between SH and MH was ridiculous. In the early episodes SH was portrayed as a genius with childish/immature tendencies, whereas now it's 90% childish tantrums. And the tbilisi storyline was also ridiculous; the super secret ninja assassin takes a long random-chance trip between various different continents only to be found quite easily by SH who in turn has been followed quite easily by another super secret ninja assassin.
The sub-plot about the boy in the Focus was also ridiculous. Why didn't the latex stick to the body as it was melting? How was he sending a Youtube video via Skype? Just lots of made up things which don't stand up to analysis.
TL:DR - load of rubbish living off past episodes much like Dr Who.
I think the thing that annoyed me so much was that the whole kids body in the car case was COMPLETEY COINCIDENTIAL to them finding out about the thatcher bust. He happened to be at the house and saw it missing but he was only at the house because Lestrade asked him to tag along for an unrelated case.
So him gettting involved in the Thatcher case was entirely coincidental which is insanely stupid considering how interwoven it was with his own life.
If the parents of the kid discussed things with them in the kitchen instead of the lounge, Mary would be dead anyway because the assassin guy would have had free reign without Sherlock having stumbled upon the thatcher nonsense in the living room.
Just all very lazy writing I thought.
So him gettting involved in the Thatcher case was entirely coincidental which is insanely stupid considering how interwoven it was with his own life.
If the parents of the kid discussed things with them in the kitchen instead of the lounge, Mary would be dead anyway because the assassin guy would have had free reign without Sherlock having stumbled upon the thatcher nonsense in the living room.
Just all very lazy writing I thought.
Watched it, and thought it was more intriguing than enjoyable - I think they are trying to be far too clever; when there is no need. Watched The Master Blackmailer the other day on ITV player; and it's fairly easy to follow. There are enough Sherlock stories to 're-tell' without being overly complicated.
The first two series were enjoyable - but they've moved away from that. Saying that, I'll continue to watch - in the hope it returns to form.
The first two series were enjoyable - but they've moved away from that. Saying that, I'll continue to watch - in the hope it returns to form.
p1stonhead said:
I think the thing that annoyed me so much was that the whole kids body in the car case was COMPLETEY COINCIDENTIAL to them finding out about the thatcher bust. He happened to be at the house and saw it missing but he was only at the house because Lestrade asked him to tag along for an unrelated case.
So him gettting involved in the Thatcher case was entirely coincidental which is insanely stupid considering how interwoven it was with his own life.
If the parents of the kid discussed things with them in the kitchen instead of the lounge, Mary would be dead anyway because the assassin guy would have had free reign without Sherlock having stumbled upon the thatcher nonsense in the living room.
Just all very lazy writing I thought.
I said that to my other half So him gettting involved in the Thatcher case was entirely coincidental which is insanely stupid considering how interwoven it was with his own life.
If the parents of the kid discussed things with them in the kitchen instead of the lounge, Mary would be dead anyway because the assassin guy would have had free reign without Sherlock having stumbled upon the thatcher nonsense in the living room.
Just all very lazy writing I thought.
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If he'd have read it in the papers and got intreagued would have made more sense but even then too much of a coincidence to be linked to johns wife.
Most of the us cop shows did something similar. Each member of the cast having a past as a super secret agent spy or family past meaning they got in peril. Very boring to me and as you said lazy writing.
Disastrous said:
That was utter dogs
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The car mystery made me think we might actually get a proper mystery like in the first couple of series but then it all went sub-Bourne with that awful secret agent wife.
I liked it SO much up the Reichenbach Fall that I especially hate what it is now...
Agreed. I really look forward to Sherlock, but that was just crap. t.The car mystery made me think we might actually get a proper mystery like in the first couple of series but then it all went sub-Bourne with that awful secret agent wife.
I liked it SO much up the Reichenbach Fall that I especially hate what it is now...
Not sure why everyone is having such an issue with it TBH.
The cases themselves have always been ridiculous and requiring of a massive leap into the suspension of disbelief from the audience, the acting has always been a bit iffy in places and people have been complaining about it being too 'character driven' since season 2.
Not the best Sherlock episode ever, but certainly not the worst and still a lot better than the vast majority of UK made TV IMHO.
The cases themselves have always been ridiculous and requiring of a massive leap into the suspension of disbelief from the audience, the acting has always been a bit iffy in places and people have been complaining about it being too 'character driven' since season 2.
Not the best Sherlock episode ever, but certainly not the worst and still a lot better than the vast majority of UK made TV IMHO.
SWoll said:
Not sure why everyone is having such an issue with it TBH.
The cases themselves have always been ridiculous and requiring of a massive leap into the suspension of disbelief from the audience, the acting has always been a bit iffy in places and people have been complaining about it being too 'character driven' since season 2.
Not the best Sherlock episode ever, but certainly not the worst and still a lot better than the vast majority of UK made TV IMHO.
It used to be possible to have a case which wasn't actually to do with someone he knows. Now it seems it isn't. The cases themselves have always been ridiculous and requiring of a massive leap into the suspension of disbelief from the audience, the acting has always been a bit iffy in places and people have been complaining about it being too 'character driven' since season 2.
Not the best Sherlock episode ever, but certainly not the worst and still a lot better than the vast majority of UK made TV IMHO.
There is much more of a stretch needed now to deal with all of the ridiculous coincidences.
It was more entertaining to me when someone came to him with a case to solve and he did it with a small amount of overarching main story in the background.
SWoll said:
Not sure why everyone is having such an issue with it TBH.
The cases themselves have always been ridiculous and requiring of a massive leap into the suspension of disbelief from the audience, the acting has always been a bit iffy in places and people have been complaining about it being too 'character driven' since season 2.
Not the best Sherlock episode ever, but certainly not the worst and still a lot better than the vast majority of UK made TV IMHO.
It's just too far from the source material now for me.The cases themselves have always been ridiculous and requiring of a massive leap into the suspension of disbelief from the audience, the acting has always been a bit iffy in places and people have been complaining about it being too 'character driven' since season 2.
Not the best Sherlock episode ever, but certainly not the worst and still a lot better than the vast majority of UK made TV IMHO.
I really enjoy the books and vividly remember the first episode managing to strike a superb balance between maintaining the integrity of the books whilst updating and refreshing the setting with exciting and engaging cinematography. I thought the onscreen text messages etc was a superb way to bring the Telegrams of the books into the now.
The first two series had real tension and exciting stories but the last one and now this have been risible. It's turned into third rare spy fodder as Mycroft looms ever larger in each script (what coincidence he's played by the writer). CAM was a good character but the Mary Bourne nonsense just ruined it.
As a series, Sherlock started off really well. Then the wedding episode happened and it's never got back on form (CAM and 'His last vow' excepted). Too much Mary and the secret double life stuff, snd just stop it with the Miss Me and whether Moriarty is dead or not. Last night's was better than the wedding, and I am hopeful that Toby Jones can bring it back a bit next week, although the Mary aftermath and Sad Watson might bring it down again.
ajprice said:
As a series, Sherlock started off really well. Then the wedding episode happened and it's never got back on form (CAM and 'His last vow' excepted). Too much Mary and the secret double life stuff, snd just stop it with the Miss Me and whether Moriarty is dead or not. Last night's was better than the wedding, and I am hopeful that Toby Jones can bring it back a bit next week, although the Mary aftermath and Sad Watson might bring it down again.
Agree with that.I'm actually unsure if I'll watch it yet, as the instant she was shot I groaned inwardly and thought "great, now we get several episodes of wallowing grief from Watson and self-blame from Sherlock until a clumsily written threat draws them back together. Or worse yet, this is revealed to be all Moriarty's plan from beyond the grave"
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