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Watched late last night, not really knowing anything about it beyond it's Clint, and the title is a car.
Powerful; very good verging on great.
Toad was a little too diffident for me through most of it; I also watched Harry Brown for the first time a couple of weeks back and felt they had similar points.
Interesting that in HB Caine ends up getting and using a gun, very much against normal British culture; Clint in gun-mad America owns and freely brandishes many guns, but dies very specifically without one.
Powerful; very good verging on great.
Toad was a little too diffident for me through most of it; I also watched Harry Brown for the first time a couple of weeks back and felt they had similar points.
Interesting that in HB Caine ends up getting and using a gun, very much against normal British culture; Clint in gun-mad America owns and freely brandishes many guns, but dies very specifically without one.
evilmunkey said:
Love Gran Torino, Harry Brown however is totally different . both excellent in there own rights though but one is not a homage to the other. very differing movies just the main guy is an old dude, nothing else realy in common.
Not just that they're an old guy, but also that they get up and engage with the local gangs that are making life a misery for everyone else. That's quite a big theme to share. Both riffs on "kids these days...", copyright Plato, 400BCGreat film, but morally very different to Harry Brown
Walt Kowalski (Clint) sacrificed his life without violence in the end, in order to get the gang removed from the neighbourhood and free up the Hmong family next door. Morally very different from going on an OAP rampage, per Harry Brown.
I thought the element of GT, was the alienation Walt felt from his own "modern" US family compared with the affinity he ended up feeling with his neighbours. To an extent, he did change his views on race, actually it was more that his values were closer to the incoming family.
One point which was left, perhaps as deliberate irony was the extent to which Walt disliked immigrants, despite clearly, as a polish descendant, having been from an immigrant background himself
Anyway, great film and I loved the anti block buster, anti action hero ending. Far more thoughtful and mature as an approach. .
Walt Kowalski (Clint) sacrificed his life without violence in the end, in order to get the gang removed from the neighbourhood and free up the Hmong family next door. Morally very different from going on an OAP rampage, per Harry Brown.
I thought the element of GT, was the alienation Walt felt from his own "modern" US family compared with the affinity he ended up feeling with his neighbours. To an extent, he did change his views on race, actually it was more that his values were closer to the incoming family.
One point which was left, perhaps as deliberate irony was the extent to which Walt disliked immigrants, despite clearly, as a polish descendant, having been from an immigrant background himself
Anyway, great film and I loved the anti block buster, anti action hero ending. Far more thoughtful and mature as an approach. .
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