Game of Thrones - No spoilers

[Chim]

Not read the whole thread so apologies if this has already been pondered, just watched this weeks episode, seems clear to me now that Tyrian is in fact a Targeryan and one of the three heads of the Dragon, if you go back some way his father was Hand of the mad and last Targeryan King and he had a thing for Tywins wife. With Tyrian mentioning his obsession with Dragons and the way the Dragons reacted to him I would put good money on him being Cerseis half brother. So three heads of the dragon, Tyrian, Cersei and I reckon Jon Snow although not completely clear of the link here yet.

[Calza]

I'm fairly confident the people talking to Ramsey were Umbers, how can it be anything but the little Stark?

Haven't we seen in the previews Jamie and Mace at the stairs of the sept with an army behind them, so we know that's coming?

Also what happened to the preview of a dragon breathing fire on Tyrion, still to come or misdirection? I can't imagine them hanging about in the dungeon for long?

[Woody]

I'll buy in to that 3 heads of the dragon/Targeryan theory ^^^^

[Calza]

ZesPak said:

This review of S06E02 is fking brilliant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kBrsEEjNPM

Must watch.

Superb!

[FourWheelDrift]

Calza said:

I'm fairly confident the people talking to Ramsey were Umbers, how can it be anything but the little Stark?

I thought they were Karstarks, they were Karstarks earlier in the episode and they hate the Starks after Robb cut off Lord Karstark's head.

[Spanna]

Surely it's Tyrion, Daenerys and Jon. The Tower of Joy scenes in next episode should hopefully tie up a lot of the questions.

The season is moving at such a pace already though, I hope it continues as it's utterly brilliant.

[richtea78]

If there's a baby at the Tower of Joy that could be huge!

As to the people giving the present to Ramsey I thought it was Kastarks as well. Better not be the Umbers!

[MartG]

Fan reactions....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGJ_kOu2raI

[briangriffin]

richtea78 said:

If there's a baby at the Tower of Joy that could be huge!

As to the people giving the present to Ramsey I thought it was Kastarks as well. Better not be the Umbers!

The guy with the gift for Ramsey is Smalljon Umber. Bran sent Rickon to the Umbers to be safe as they were allies of house stark (particularly after the red wedding).

So it's likely Rickon is the gift as the Starks are in a way the key to the North.

My outside the box thinking is that we havn't seen anything of little finger yet and the book story of 'fake Arya' was never addressed in the show. So instead maybe we see 'fake Rickon' as a little finger ploy where the Umber's gain Ramseys trust and swear loyalty to him in exchange for land and titles etc when Ramsey wins the battle for the North.

Come the battle though the Umbers and a few other Stark bannermen flip on Ramsey and massacre his men.




Ive heard the Tyrion as the 3rd Targarean theory but doesn't it stem from the thought that the mad king had designs on Joanna Lannister on the day of her wedding to Tywin and that he was unhappy that the old right of the King to bed a bride on her wedding day no longer existed (this pissed Tywin off).
And some thing that he raped her anyway and this is why Tywin has even more hatred for Tyrion. Im not sure the time-line fits though as Tyrion is the youngest of the 3 lannister children so theyd have probably been married a few years before Tyrion was born.

[BlackST]

There is every possibility that Tyrion is half Targaryen.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/lukebailey/its-raining-in...

Theory summed up.

Having read the books a few years ago i'm happy hat we have new things happening in the show. The books were a slog at times.
Looking forward to next weeks episode. I'm looking forward to more of Bran's visions. Hopefully we get to see back to when the wall was built and more of the Night's King.

[glazbagun]

It does seem that for the first time there are finally more answers comming than questions posed. I do hope that GRRM had a decent ending in mind and that it's not some Deus Ex Machina thing.

[Nom de ploom]

great episode - I thought the scene with the mountain was great as was tyrion and the dragons - he has the best one liners and is still my fave character...

I'm missing the umbers from my memory...

Ramsay Bolton though nasty nasty piece of work

[glazbagun]

Nom de ploom said:

I'm missing the umbers from my memory...

Ramsay Bolton though nasty nasty piece of work

Remember young King Rob trying to persuade the Northern houses to join him in a march south? There was a dude mouthing off and calling him "Boy" a lot... Until Robs Wolf bit one of his fingers off! He was Greatjon of the Umbers.

When the Lannister spy was caught by Robs army and Theon tried to hide the map, it was Greatjon who laughed that the spy wouldn't be leaving with his head and went mad at Rob for letting the spy live.

Afaik, he's now a prisoner of the Freys at the bridge and the family are thus unhappily allied to the Boltons, though now that Ramsay has killed his stepmum (who was a frey) that may ruined that alliance.

I think this will be Ramsays downfall- he's great at terrorising but rubbish at foroming alliances. Like Roose said, he'll be treated like a mad dog and fed to the pigs. Although I think it would be good if he could somehow become a wight as he's a good comic baddie.

Edited by glazbagun on Wednesday 4th May 10:43

Edited by glazbagun on Wednesday 4th May 10:44

[CrutyRammers]

ali_kat said:

jesusbuiltmycar said:

The show is moving that plot along in a much better way than the books, which seemed to have hundreds of pages with her blind and doing nothing..

Didn't she spend @ 3 months as each character? And we've only seen about a weeks worth of story for 2...

Not read the books that far, but it did feel like it should have lasted a lot longer. Felt a bit rushed to me, but then I appreciate that they need to keep all the stories moving on.

[LittleEnus]

Good episode last night.

The problem I have with it at the mo is I find both the Hodor/ kid thread along with the blind girl thread totally tedious. Rest is bang on.

[CrutyRammers]

Halb said:

papercup said:

While I'm moaning, I also find the recent Lannister storyline utterly unconvincing. Most of last series. Yes yes yes, rise of religious nutters but the idea that they'd be able to put the queen and the kings mum in prison, mistreat them and let no-one see them is ridiculous. Its like the Kings Guard have ceased to exist. I realise the King is meant to be a bit weak, but I would expect even a tweenie to just lose it and say 'Soldiers! Go and smash everyone involved up right now!' and it would just happen. Especially when Cersei was marched through the streets. Very silly.

For an entire story set in a world where might makes right, its just not believable.

It happens. Boy kings are historically weak, like Rick2. Plus kings guard is only 7 ppl in total, 5 at the time Tommen went to the crypt. Power vacuums cause havoc

Yeah, I think it's easy to forget how few people were involved in these power struggles. Look at what happened to Liz the first:
(quick cutnpaste from wiki)

Edward VI died on 6 July 1553, aged 15. His will swept aside the Succession to the Crown Act 1543, excluded both Mary and Elizabeth from the succession, and instead declared as his heir Lady Jane Grey. Lady Jane was proclaimed queen by the Privy Council, but her support quickly crumbled, and she was deposed (and later beheaded for treason after the privy council switched sides) after nine days.

On 3 August 1553, Mary rode triumphantly into London, with Elizabeth at her side.
The show of solidarity between the sisters did not last long.....Mary's initial popularity ebbed away in 1554 when she announced plans to marry Prince Philip of Spain, the son of Emperor Charles V and an active Catholic. Discontent spread rapidly through the country, and many looked to Elizabeth as a focus for their opposition to Mary's religious policies.

In January and February 1554, Wyatt's rebellion broke out; it was soon suppressed. Elizabeth was brought to court, and interrogated regarding her role, and on 18 March, she was imprisoned in the Tower of London.

... Mary's closest confidant, Charles V's ambassador Simon Renard, argued that her throne would never be safe while Elizabeth lived; and the Chancellor, Stephen Gardiner, worked to have Elizabeth put on trial...on 22 May, Elizabeth was moved from the Tower to Woodstock, where she was to spend almost a year under house arrest in the charge of Sir Henry Bedingfield.

She was then proclaimed queen when Mary died.

A fairly small but organised force can have a big effect when it's in the right place and time.

[Halb]

Anyone notice how Ramsay at first looked away from the dog attack but then turned to enjoy it? That character isn't one dimensional


The big bloke next week is the Smalljon, son of the Greatjon from the first series

[smithyithy]

I think we're overestimating Walder Frey by assuming he'd be that bothered by one of his daughters being killed.

He didn't care when Cath had a knife to his then-wife's throat.

[ukbabz]

smithyithy said:

I think we're overestimating Walder Frey by assuming he'd be that bothered by one of his daughters being killed.

He didn't care when Cath had a knife to his then-wife's throat.

Killing a wife in a trade for a son is war from what he see's as an enemy. I suspect the alliance being dumped by murdering his daughter will be seen as an insult and they've already mentioned his pride on the show..

[chris watton]

ukbabz said:

smithyithy said:

I think we're overestimating Walder Frey by assuming he'd be that bothered by one of his daughters being killed.

He didn't care when Cath had a knife to his then-wife's throat.

Killing a wife in a trade for a son is war from what he see's as an enemy. I suspect the alliance being dumped by murdering his daughter will be seen as an insult and they've already mentioned his pride on the show..

Yeah, I assumed Frey's wife at the Red Wedding would be seen as collateral damage to get an outcome he wanted.