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smithyithy said:
She maybe could've benefited from a season off like Bran, so she returns after a sufficient time as a face-shifting assassin.
I think so, too- a scene showing her blind training with a stick/fake sword and being beaten up by her faceless pal, then one of her blind and kicking bully girls head in, then a fade-out of her training endlessly would be enough for this season. She can then show up on westeros with vision and start murdering her way through the country.Who's side is the faceless God on? They believe they're all the same God don't they? So you'd assume that killing priests would be a no-no.
I think the issue is that they haven't gone far enough. I can see how the sparrows could have taken over, with popular support. But it makes no sense to leave the king in place as a figurehead unless they have some bizarre plan for him. Jamie's chat with the high sparrow only served to highlight this. It wasn't explained why he wasn't in jail with Cersei
Also what's happened to the powerful tyrells? Don't they care that margery is rotting in prison?
At least there were no tedious sand snails or whatever they're called.
Also what's happened to the powerful tyrells? Don't they care that margery is rotting in prison?
At least there were no tedious sand snails or whatever they're called.
maxxy5 said:
Also what's happened to the powerful tyrells? Don't they care that margery is rotting in prison?
A problem with making Mace Tyrell an idiot rather than just weak (as in the books)In the books he marches on Kings landing with an army as soon as he hears of Maegarys arrest.
maxxy5 said:
Also what's happened to the powerful tyrells? Don't they care that margery is rotting in prison?
Exactly. Where's Diana Rigg? She'd have Tommen by the balls, while he high-pitchedly tells the Kings Guard to go string some priests up and leave Jonathan Pryce's head hanging above the gate for a few weeks. Its all just so daft.
papercup said:
maxxy5 said:
Also what's happened to the powerful tyrells? Don't they care that margery is rotting in prison?
Exactly. Where's Diana Rigg? She'd have Tommen by the balls, while he high-pitchedly tells the Kings Guard to go string some priests up and leave Jonathan Pryce's head hanging above the gate for a few weeks. Its all just so daft.
She doesn't have an army at her disposal. Cersei had the power but she was jailed by the High Sparrow and it was her that wanted Maergery out of the way anyway, Jaime was in Dorne and Mace was in Bravos. Olenna had no one to back her up at the time.
Now Cersei is back, Jamie is back and Mace undoubtedly is back. It will kick off now.
AndrewEH1 said:
FourWheelDrift said:
That we know are still alive.
Ilyn Payne, Cersei, Mellisandre, Walder Frey.
Frey must be on it, but I can't recall her saying the list since the Red Wedding.
So she might head back to King's Landing then.Ilyn Payne, Cersei, Mellisandre, Walder Frey.
Frey must be on it, but I can't recall her saying the list since the Red Wedding.
Why is Mel on the list? (I've completely forgotten!)
In the TV series, we don't hear her prayer very often, and the list is short - with only Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne and The Hound, if I recall correctly.
h.Arya's death list (down the page) - http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Arya_Stark
Also contained Beric Dondarrion and Thoros of Myr along with Melisandre for a while.
Also contained Beric Dondarrion and Thoros of Myr along with Melisandre for a while.
JagLover said:
Good episode in general
A few moments of writing absurdity like the Mountain stealthily stalking the streets of Kings landing dealing out his own kind of justice, but we expect that these days.
But overall very good.
I think the rite of resurrection only works (at times) when the red priest/priestess performing it has lost their faith.
The spoilers for the books seem logical and based on what many have believed for years.
Nice thoughts. My own idea was that it required a friend to be there. Davos/Edd for Jon.A few moments of writing absurdity like the Mountain stealthily stalking the streets of Kings landing dealing out his own kind of justice, but we expect that these days.
But overall very good.
I think the rite of resurrection only works (at times) when the red priest/priestess performing it has lost their faith.
The spoilers for the books seem logical and based on what many have believed for years.
Looks like we get the Umbers next week.
Jon will be back as Jon.
papercup said:
While I'm moaning, I also find the recent Lannister storyline utterly unconvincing. Most of last series. Yes yes yes, rise of religious nutters but the idea that they'd be able to put the queen and the kings mum in prison, mistreat them and let no-one see them is ridiculous. Its like the Kings Guard have ceased to exist. I realise the King is meant to be a bit weak, but I would expect even a tweenie to just lose it and say 'Soldiers! Go and smash everyone involved up right now!' and it would just happen. Especially when Cersei was marched through the streets. Very silly.
For an entire story set in a world where might makes right, its just not believable.
It happens. Boy kings are historically weak, like Rick2. Plus kings guard is only 7 ppl in total, 5 at the time Tommen went to the crypt. Power vacuums cause havoc For an entire story set in a world where might makes right, its just not believable.
papercup said:
While I'm moaning, I also find the recent Lannister storyline utterly unconvincing. Most of last series. Yes yes yes, rise of religious nutters but the idea that they'd be able to put the queen and the kings mum in prison, mistreat them and let no-one see them is ridiculous. Its like the Kings Guard have ceased to exist. I realise the King is meant to be a bit weak, but I would expect even a tweenie to just lose it and say 'Soldiers! Go and smash everyone involved up right now!' and it would just happen. Especially when Cersei was marched through the streets. Very silly.
For an entire story set in a world where might makes right, its just not believable.
There are 7 Kingsguard at most plus a few hundred Lannisters in the capital. They could hold the Red Keep easily but there's no way they could storm the sept. Did you see the dialogue with Jaime and the High Sparrow? The Sparrow knows he has the power. He has thousands of followers who aren't bothered about death. They have nothing to lose whereas the Lannister soldiers are effectively mercenaries. For an entire story set in a world where might makes right, its just not believable.
As to the Tyrell's I think you will see their reaction in the next few weeks. It's medieval times, it takes a while to move an army from say High Garden to the capital. However, I still think you are missing a very key point. They have the Queen and the heir to High Garden hostage. Yes ultimately they could storm the sept and kill everyone between them and the dungeons. What are they going to find in the Dungeons do you think at that point? They would kill both the hostages straight away. That is what Joffrey would have done. I think it's an important distinction that Tommen thinks before he acts. You can train him to be more ruthless, you couldn't train Joffrey as he was a fool.
7 Kingsguard??
What is this? A guard for the Ant King??
Even our Queen has more than that knocking about The Mall, and she isn't presently at war or dealing with a particularly unruly bunch of discontented populace used to picking up arms.
Seriously, how do you think that 7 is the right number when your entire city hates you and you have a powerful charismatic Jeremy Corbyn preaching that suicide is a great option...?
What is this? A guard for the Ant King??
Even our Queen has more than that knocking about The Mall, and she isn't presently at war or dealing with a particularly unruly bunch of discontented populace used to picking up arms.
Seriously, how do you think that 7 is the right number when your entire city hates you and you have a powerful charismatic Jeremy Corbyn preaching that suicide is a great option...?
They are in theory the seven best Knights in Westeros, armed and armoured to the teeth and backed up by a couple of hundred soldiers...
Isn't half the problem image? The Crown and the Church are the joint rulers of Westeros. The King must be seen to support the Church - after all, they're the ones that crowned him. Only chance would have been in the castle, at the time they took them - after that it's open battle, which looks like it's coming.
How that pans out amongst the general populace will be interesting - there's not been a suggestion yet that faith in the King has been shaken by the walk of shame (or the incest charges) but who knows?
Isn't half the problem image? The Crown and the Church are the joint rulers of Westeros. The King must be seen to support the Church - after all, they're the ones that crowned him. Only chance would have been in the castle, at the time they took them - after that it's open battle, which looks like it's coming.
How that pans out amongst the general populace will be interesting - there's not been a suggestion yet that faith in the King has been shaken by the walk of shame (or the incest charges) but who knows?
It's like asking NATO to deal with terrorists.
The Kingsguard were there for the most likes type of assassination, another powerful Lord attacking with his retainer Knights. It is culturally unthinkable, like a fish riding a bike that they'd have to slaughtered a peasant. Peasant control is for retainers and city watch. After years of fighting there's s genuine peasant revolt, as the Zhigh Sparrow said, the country just isn't set up to handle that.
The city watch are probably days away from running off anyway the cities finances are so utterly ducked.
The Kingsguard were there for the most likes type of assassination, another powerful Lord attacking with his retainer Knights. It is culturally unthinkable, like a fish riding a bike that they'd have to slaughtered a peasant. Peasant control is for retainers and city watch. After years of fighting there's s genuine peasant revolt, as the Zhigh Sparrow said, the country just isn't set up to handle that.
The city watch are probably days away from running off anyway the cities finances are so utterly ducked.
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