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[Butter Face]

Really enjoyed the Tower of Joy scene, bran looked very annoyed about the lies his dad had told about beating Dayne!

Enjoyed the whole episode, was a bit of a filler but I like getting some back story!

Glad that the bds who stabbed Jon got strung up too, olly especially, that little twerp!

[glazbagun]

I did laugh at Ollys last words. Literally all he's done for the last three episodes is walk around with that little scowl of hatred on his face.

Title of the episode is Oathbreaker. Presumably the Umbers, Jon Snow hasn't broken his oath so much as read the small print, Sam lied about taking Gilly with him, Dany went off to be a queen rather than returning. I'm not sure if anything oathbreaky was happening at KL. Is Arya going to be brainwashed or is she out of there as soon as she's a Ninja?

I wonder when Varys will be up for the chop- he trusts children, Olly is a total bd of a child and Cersei now has her fingers in his network back home, all in one episode.

It's funny how little things can give so much enjoyment. I loved Cersei's static smile as she started to realize how much trouble she'd got herself in with the sparrow last season, and this episode- that little gesture Tommen gives to his guards- he's a wet blanket consciously, but subconsciously he's been ordering subservients around all his life without realizing it.

And he listens. He'll make a great king one day. He's fked!

Edited by glazbagun on Tuesday 10th May 08:04

[Woody]

Butter Face said:

Glad that the bds who stabbed Jon got strung up too, olly especially, that little twerp!

Was anyone else a bit underwhelmed by that scene?
I don't know why but I expected something more from it, and I didn't expect them to have been offed that quickly - I expected it to have been drawn out a bit.

[GarryDK]

I actually shouted NOOOO at the TV when they cut out the bit with NED going in to the tower. I wanted to see if it was true!!!

[ben5575]

glazbagun said:

Great episode, Dayne was suitably badass- a joy to watch after the Sand Snakes! I may be misremembering, but wasn't the Sister of Arthur Dayne mega pissed at Ned Stark for bringing back his horse and sword, but not his body? Now we know why!

Also makes him a bit more of a knob slagging off Jamie for his killing of Aerys.

GarryDK said:

I actually shouted NOOOO at the TV when they cut out the bit with NED going in to the tower. I wanted to see if it was true!!!

I haven't read the books, so the story isn't as in grained as it appears to be with you guys (or possibly I'm just st at remembering what's happened over the last six years!).

Any chance you can elaborate on who Dayne is, what Jamie killing Aerys has to do with it and what's this tower and why should I care whether Ned goes into it?

Any help appreciated

[smithyithy]

(Speculation)

Inside the tower is Lyanna Stark, Ned's sister who was either kidnapped by, or willingly ran away with, the Targaryan Prince Rhaegar, and had a child with him (Jon Show).

Ned finds dead Lyanna, and the Stark/Targaryan baby, and takes it as his own bd to protect it from King Rob etc.

(Speculation)

[ali_kat]

What we know...

Inside the tower is Lyanna Stark, Ned's sister who was taken there by Prince Rhaegar Targaryan. Ned & Howland find Lyanna dead.

Ned comes home to Cat with a baby, that he says is his blood.

[ali_kat]

Woody said:

Butter Face said:

Glad that the bds who stabbed Jon got strung up too, olly especially, that little twerp!

Was anyone else a bit underwhelmed by that scene?
I don't know why but I expected something more from it, and I didn't expect them to have been offed that quickly - I expected it to have been drawn out a bit.

I expected him NOT to do it. Or cut them down immediately after, so they suffered & he let them off.

[ali_kat]

Halb said:

That actually got me...poor old shaggy dog

three dead, three left.

Me too (but I don't think it was - Rickon was too 'in charge' of his emotions)

But only 2 still in the story

[benny 61]

ben5575 said:

I haven't read the books, so the story isn't as in grained as it appears to be with you guys (or possibly I'm just st at remembering what's happened over the last six years!).

Any chance you can elaborate on who Dayne is, what Jamie killing Aerys has to do with it and what's this tower and why should I care whether Ned goes into it?

Any help appreciated

That's why I come on here to fill a few blanks in but I'm a bit dense lol.

[ali_kat]

Patrick Bateman said:

I think The Hound is coming back. Specific mentions this episode of 'Ser Gregor', 'trial by combat' and The Hound being discussed all hint towards Cleganebowl happening.

I'm really sorry to disappoint you, but Ser Gregor is The Mountain; Ser Sandor was The Hound.

The Trial by Combat is for Cersai/Jamies's innocence.

[p1doc]

ali_kat said:

What we know...

Inside the tower is Lyanna Stark, Ned's sister who was taken there by Prince Rhaegar Targaryan. Ned & Howland find Lyanna dead.

Ned comes home to Cat with a baby, that he says is his blood.

or wll they as ned's fight was a lie so how much more is a lie......-great fight scene though!
martin

[Rogue86]

blueg33 said:

You guys need better tv's. Perfectly visible on my old but in its time top of the range, Panasonic CRT.

It's a brand new 4k/3D Bravia... Picture is perfect on everything else which is why I resent changing the brightness levels just for GoT!

smithyithy said:

Inside the tower is Lyanna Stark, Ned's sister who was either kidnapped by, or willingly ran away with, the Targaryan Prince Rhaegar, and had a child with him (Jon Show).

Ned finds dead Lyanna, and the Stark/Targaryan baby, and takes it as his own bd to protect it from King Rob etc.

Thanks for shedding light on this for us non-book guys.

Edited by Rogue86 on Tuesday 10th May 09:42

[Woody]

What was going on with the Ramsey - Carstark - Umber exchange?
Seemed a bit odd that the Umber would slag off Ramsey and the Carstarks for betraying Rob Stark and then handing over Rikon & Osher.

[irocfan]

Woody said:

What was going on with the Ramsey - Carstark - Umber exchange?
Seemed a bit odd that the Umber would slag off Ramsey and the Carstarks for betraying Rob Stark and then handing over Rikon & Osher.

perhaps it's acknowledging that things change and this is the new order... plus as mentioned previously he thinks he needs bd Bolton's men for the wildlings

ali_kat said:

I expected him NOT to do it. Or cut them down immediately after, so they suffered & he let them off.

me too. I always thought Ser Alistair was a tt - but his last words were dignified and redeemed him somewhat

[glazbagun]

ben5575 said:

I haven't read the books, so the story isn't as in grained as it appears to be with you guys (or possibly I'm just st at remembering what's happened over the last six years!).

Any chance you can elaborate on who Dayne is, what Jamie killing Aerys has to do with it and what's this tower and why should I care whether Ned goes into it?

Any help appreciated

Not really related to Jamie at all, but theres a conversation between Ned and Jamie in S1 where Jamie says killing the king felt like justice for what he'd done to the Starks (burning Neds father and strangling his older brother). Ned then goes on a rant about how he stabbed his king in the back, etc, rebuffing the attempt at reconciliation.

Ser Arthur Dayne was the badass knight of the day and a member of the kingsguard beside Barristan, etc. Not just a killing machine but honorable, too, Barristan viewed him as a better man than he was. The War of the Five Kings really seems to be the dregs fighting the dregs now.

The wiki on Dayne is good and not spoilery anymore:

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Arthur_Dayne

[JagLover]

GarryDK said:

I actually shouted NOOOO at the TV when they cut out the bit with NED going in to the tower. I wanted to see if it was true!!!

Should have expected that I guess.

Maybe "the door" will go further

[Halb]

MartG said:

Him saying he would have killed his father implies he disagreed with him betraying Robb

Smalljon intimated that he would have killed his own father, the Greatjon, if he hadn't had already died.

confucuis said:

I dunno this shows never been that kind to the good guys. I hope it isn't shaggy dog but I'd say it is.
For all the previous season's rhetoric about the north will never forget and that it's loyalty towards the starks is diehard, it kind of makes me question now why all those houses are giving up their loyalties.

THere are many many Northern houses, and we'll be seeing two other lords shortly.

glazbagun said:

Great episode, Dayne was suitably badass- a joy to watch after the Sand Snakes! I may be misremembering, but wasn't the Sister of Arthur Dayne mega pissed at Ned Stark for bringing back his horse and sword, but not his body? Now we know why!
Also makes him a bit more of a knob slagging off Jamie for his killing of Aerys.

Ashara was meant to have a thing for Ned, and when he turned up with a baby, it was meant to send her over the edge.
I don't think Ned is a knob for that, putting a sword in the back of your king as a kingsgaurd isn't the same as a mate saving your life in actions beyond your control. Though it is another good example of hidden history, like the reason why Jaime killed Aerys. In the book Ned never says what happens anyway, just that 7 beat 3 and without Howland Reed, he'd be a dead man.

Butter Face said:

Really enjoyed the Tower of Joy scene, bran looked very annoyed about the lies his dad had told about beating Dayne!

What lies?

[smithyithy]

Rogue86 said:

Thanks for shedding light on this for us non-book guys.

Edited by Rogue86 on Tuesday 10th May 09:42

I've only read the first book

Most of my info I get on the Wiki or online discussions. Have to be careful to avoid potential spoilers, but all history, lore and background stories you can get on the Wiki and it makes for some very interesting reading.

It's a very interesting debate regarding Ned's views and loyalty, Jamie's reasons for killing the king, and the whole series of events that led to Robert's Rebellion and the current War.

[Butter Face]

Halb said:

What lies?

Didn't Bran say that his dad told him he beat Dayne on combat? He hadn't mentioned that he had been stabbed in the back of the neck first!