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[walm]

lemmingjames said:

walm said:

That's the whole point of the Hodor transformation from Wylis.
He can't change history - it already happened.

But from my memory, Wylis became Hodor when Bran went back in time as a 'ghost' and warged into the young wylis with the women saying hold the door. Otherwise why would Wylis become Hodor is it wasnt for Bran warging into him or is it all just a coincidence?

He was in the past when warging - so was messing with both Hodor and Wyllis's minds concurrently (since they are the same person).
Bran forcing Hodor to hold the door turned Wyllis into Hodor at the same "time".

[ali_kat]

DoctorX said:

Can anyone remind me how Stannis's daughter was cured of greyscale? - likely to happen again?

Stannis brought every maester, healer, and apothecary he could find to try everything they could to save her. The combination of their efforts actually managed to cure her, though the damage it had already done to her face was permanent. It was considered a miracle.

[AndyWoodall]

smithyithy said:

The reasoning is fine, but the short clip showing it just seemed too 'simple' if that makes sense.

Since season 1 we've had these amazing scenes with the WW's turning babies, riding their frozen dead horses, the scene early in the program where they're in some sort of ice temple.. It's all very mythical and exciting.

I was just hoping for something a bit similar or on a similar scale maybe.. rather than just stabbing a bloke tied to a tree.

Plus it was my understanding that the war between the Children and man ensued when the men sailed over from Essos and began taking over Westeros, then the WW's appeared (perhaps because of a god or something ancient), so the Children and man made peace to fight them of, build the Wall etc. I don't think the history between them has ever been explained in much detail in the show has it?

I dunno, I rather like that the vast and surprisingly terrifying hoardes (given how used we are to seeing this sort of thing on scree, I'm impressed that the GoT version of this remains scary) that we see in the swirling mists of the coming winter were created in a quiet, spiritual place by the Children. It contrasts how they lived (nearing extinction admittedly) and what they unleashed. It never went away, its just been contained.

[The Beaver King]

ali_kat said:

DoctorX said:

Can anyone remind me how Stannis's daughter was cured of greyscale? - likely to happen again?

Stannis brought every maester, healer, and apothecary he could find to try everything they could to save her. The combination of their efforts actually managed to cure her, though the damage it had already done to her face was permanent. It was considered a miracle.

Was it not Melisandre who cured her?

I can't remember exactly, but I was under the impression she cured Shireen. Saying that, aside from saying she was cured, I don't remember there being a lot of detail around it.

I could be wrong.

[Boring_Chris]

Smollet said:

If half of the episode hadn't been in pitch black I might have enjoyed it more

The whole of this series has suffered from some fairly poor cinematography. Maybe they're getting a little bit for their boots and forgetting that it's still TV show, and not a movie to be shown in a controlled environment (ie a darkened cinema)

I'm watching with both blinds and curtains closed (during the day, admittedly) and still struggling.

[Halb]

walm said:

He was in the past when warging - so was messing with both Hodor and Wyllis's minds concurrently (since they are the same person).
Bran forcing Hodor to hold the door turned Wyllis into Hodor at the same "time".

The old wave and a particle thing.
Time as experienced by humans may not be as linear as some think.

---

These new theories are bakin me noddle. JUst gone and loooked at a few things. I don't think von SYdow is BRan.

I reckon Jorah will set off for the Citadel.

The thing about it feeling a tad rushed now...maybe that is the effect of not knowing anything beforehand, without the books to lead the way. I wonder if Martin is gutted than the show has given away two big reveals before the books?

[Shakermaker]

+1 for Boobies.

That is all I can add.

[Janluke]

The level of magic in fantasy is a personal thing I'm not keen on resurrection and zombies but quite happy with dragons and warging. I'm not sure why as clearly its all nonsense but I obviously have a threshold. I like a well thought out magic system where it has limits and rules and not just a wizard waving a wand. Slightly off topic I liked David Gemmell and his sipstrassi stones system.

The Hodor story has left an impact. Turned into a gibbering simpleton as a child all for one purpose years later. Its possibly the cruelest thing I've seem on GOT. GRR is a sick minded wonderful story telling genius.

[ben5575]

The Beaver King said:

ali_kat said:

DoctorX said:

Can anyone remind me how Stannis's daughter was cured of greyscale? - likely to happen again?

Stannis brought every maester, healer, and apothecary he could find to try everything they could to save her. The combination of their efforts actually managed to cure her, though the damage it had already done to her face was permanent. It was considered a miracle.

Was it not Melisandre who cured her?

I can't remember exactly, but I was under the impression she cured Shireen. Saying that, aside from saying she was cured, I don't remember there being a lot of detail around it.

I could be wrong.

Didn't Stannis burn her at the stake? Or am I making that up?

ETA that was about wars wasn't it. Obviously burning her alive won't cure her?!

Edited by ben5575 on Tuesday 24th May 11:02

[ben5575]

The Beaver King said:

ali_kat said:

DoctorX said:

Can anyone remind me how Stannis's daughter was cured of greyscale? - likely to happen again?

Stannis brought every maester, healer, and apothecary he could find to try everything they could to save her. The combination of their efforts actually managed to cure her, though the damage it had already done to her face was permanent. It was considered a miracle.

Was it not Melisandre who cured her?

I can't remember exactly, but I was under the impression she cured Shireen. Saying that, aside from saying she was cured, I don't remember there being a lot of detail around it.

I could be wrong.

Didn't Stannis burn her at the stake? Or am I making that up?

ETA that was about wars wasn't it. Obviously burning her alive won't cure her?!

Edited by ben5575 on Tuesday 24th May 11:03

[otolith]

ali_kat said:

DoctorX said:

Can anyone remind me how Stannis's daughter was cured of greyscale? - likely to happen again?

Stannis brought every maester, healer, and apothecary he could find to try everything they could to save her. The combination of their efforts actually managed to cure her, though the damage it had already done to her face was permanent. It was considered a miracle.

It's occasionally survived by children, but not by adults. Children who do survive it are immune to both greyscale and the pandemic form of grey plague.

I quite like the way that Martin has invented a disease complex with attributes of leprosy, plague, smallpox/cowpox.

[walm]

ben5575 said:

Didn't Stannis burn her at the stake? Or am I making that up?

After stopping the progress of the greyscale, yes.

It was a tough choice for him though.
He HAD to, in order to fulfill the prophecy that he would be king.
Ooops.

[ben5575]

walm said:

After stopping the progress of the greyscale, yes.

It was a tough choice for him though.
He HAD to, in order to fulfill the prophecy that he would be king.
Ooops.

Right you are

[jingars]

[Adam B]

walm said:

irocfan said:

am I alone in thinking that Hodor's sacrifice is in vain - the nightking now has a tracker on Bran so can find him whenever he wants

well that or the enormous horde of undead who break through the door in 2-3 mins, catch up with the Bran-litter dragged by a slight girl within a further couple of minutes, following the rather obvious trail in the snow.

"oh no they have escaped and fatty holding the door shut saved them"
"hang on, isn't that them, 50 yards away?"
"oh yes, we can cover that distance in 10 seconds"
<death>

[FiF]

JagLover said:

ZesPak said:

"Hold the door" is never going to be the same again...

That really got to me for some reason. Maybe the juxtaposition of Hodor trying to hold the door closed, and being killed by the wights as he did so, with his younger self and the music. Maybe just reflecting that his entire life was F*cked up in order for him to fulfil his role in that one moment in time.

I don't often cry at these things but I did then.

Great episode, Kingsmoot was flat, but everything else was great.

This red priestess seems allot more knowledgeable and confident than Melisandre.

The thing that made me get a speck of dust in my eye was the sound of Summer's fate. Old softy for animals I'm afraid.

[walm]

Adam B said:

"oh no they have escaped and fatty holding the door shut saved them"
"hang on, isn't that them, 50 yards away?"
"oh yes, we can cover that distance in 10 seconds"
<death>

Exactly!

[FourWheelDrift]

Filming of the cave scene from last night - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfXP1RHLLx4

[Woody]

So how many Dire Wolves are left now?
Is it only Ghost and Arya's (can't remember it's name)?

[Halb]

Two
Ghost and Nymeria.