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lemmingjames

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walm said:
lemmingjames said:
walm said:
That's the whole point of the Hodor transformation from Wylis.
He can't change history - it already happened.
But from my memory, Wylis became Hodor when Bran went back in time as a 'ghost' and warged into the young wylis with the women saying hold the door. Otherwise why would Wylis become Hodor is it wasnt for Bran warging into him or is it all just a coincidence?
He was in the past when warging - so was messing with both Hodor and Wyllis's minds concurrently (since they are the same person).
Bran forcing Hodor to hold the door turned Wyllis into Hodor at the same "time".
Hodor has been saying Hodor though since that fit which is a result of Bran warging into him from the future. If Bran was just viewing the past, he shouldnt be able to warg into it as he shouldnt have any powers (in theory and make believe world), as otherwise he could just go back in time and stop it all from happening.

Oh i dont know, still feels all abit rushed to me now

hornetrider

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204 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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lemmingjames said:
Hodor has been saying Hodor though since that fit which is a result of Bran warging into him from the future. If Bran was just viewing the past, he shouldnt be able to warg into it as he shouldnt have any powers (in theory and make believe world), as otherwise he could just go back in time and stop it all from happening.

Oh i dont know, still feels all abit rushed to me now
What are your thoughts on the Back to the Future Trilogy?

Second thought, don't answer. Don't overthink time travel in films and tv, my own personal watchword for enjoying fantasy shows.

Adam B

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JagLover said:
That really got to me for some reason. Maybe the juxtaposition of Hodor trying to hold the door closed, and being killed by the wights as he did so, with his younger self and the music. Maybe just reflecting that his entire life was F*cked up in order for him to fulfil his role in that one moment in time.

I don't often cry at these things but I did then.
fk me, this thread is hilariously nerdy - you saw the boobs right? smile

Halb

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Martin may subscribe to an idea of time as cyclical, I love it. It taps into a great many things I like to ponder about, the nature of time and how humans perceive it. This might be the only loop, Wylis was affected because of the connection that Bran had made through space-time.
For me now the bigger question is where is Bran gonna go...I thought he'd be in that cave till the end of his days, now...erm...could he sit in Winterfell...it opens it up so much more, he may not even survive the end of the story.
And the White walkers....would the top bloke have hurt Bran? Is he related?

Convert said:
So quick, flipping brilliant.

irocfan

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189 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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Janluke said:
Slightly off topic I liked David Gemmell and his sipstrassi stones system.
Now the Gemmell books as done by HBO could be awesome....

Janluke

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Tuesday 24th May 2016
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irocfan said:
Janluke said:
Slightly off topic I liked David Gemmell and his sipstrassi stones system.
Now the Gemmell books as done by HBO could be awesome....
I'm in

JagLover

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234 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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Adam B said:
fk me, this thread is hilariously nerdy - you saw the boobs right? smile
They gave me tears of awe wink

SilverSixer

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150 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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Is there any particular reason that the White Walkers are after Bran? Is that something which will be revealed in the fullness of time? Or are they not picky and just after everyone eventually and Bran is as good a place to start as anywhere?

Edited by SilverSixer on Tuesday 24th May 12:09

Janluke

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3605789/...

Sorry for the mail link but this made me smile

Halb

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Funny. biggrin

SilverSixer said:
Is there any particular reason that the White Walkers are after Bran? Is that something which will be revealed in the fullness of time? Or are they not picky and just after everyone eventually and Bran is as good a place to start as anywhere?
Is interesting question. People last year thought that the Night's King gave particular attention to Jon SNow, I didn't really think so, but am now reflecting on that. Considering what we know. Are the Night's Kings Starks? Or connected? Or is it more to do with BRan's gifts? He might be a nice piece of blood magic to sacrifice to bring down the wall?

Obviously the wall has to be dealt with from the point of view of the WW, otherwise, the North would have been hit already.

The big question is...what is the endgame of the White Walkers?

TREMAiNE

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Theory:

Bran could be the Lord of Light, talking to Varys through the fire.
We all know it's about interpretation...the interpretation of Brans messages.
The reason we are seeing this brief time in history is because it's the birth of Bran...the one with the power to make it all happen.

Bran yelling out to Ned during the Tower of Joy scene was the moment where Bran realizes that he can change the past. The Bloodraven starts acting shifty when pressed about it and won't give him a straight answer, but in this episode, we see the Bloodraven encourage Bran to warg into Hodor in the past. Thus, the Bloodraven acknowledges that Bran must alter the past in order for this story to unfold.

Bran is The Architect. He not only builds the wall, but he builds this entire story. He's the one who tells Rhaegar that he needs to give birth to a child. He whispers to the Mad King. He makes Varys the Spider. He communicates with the Red Priestesses to help them fulfill the prophecy. This story is Bran's life work. The last Stark heir reaching out from a doomed future to save the past.

That is why a Stark must always be at Winterfell - to ensure Bran is born.

TREMAiNE

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Also:

Sansa:"I can still feel it-- I don't mean in my tender heart it still pains me so. I can still feel what he (Ramsay) did in my body standing here right now." Could Sansa be Pregnant?

TREMAiNE

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lemmingjames said:
So if Bran can go back in history and change it, why not just go back to the time and stop the women stabbing the would be night king
Because if Bran went back in time to stab the Night King, the chain of events after that may have lead to him never existing, if he never existed he wouldn't have been able to go back in time and stop the Children of the Forrest from creating the Night King.

ali_kat

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Tuesday 24th May 2016
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The Beaver King said:
ali_kat said:
DoctorX said:
Can anyone remind me how Stannis's daughter was cured of greyscale? - likely to happen again?
Stannis brought every maester, healer, and apothecary he could find to try everything they could to save her. The combination of their efforts actually managed to cure her, though the damage it had already done to her face was permanent. It was considered a miracle.
Was it not Melisandre who cured her?

I can't remember exactly, but I was under the impression she cured Shireen. Saying that, aside from saying she was cured, I don't remember there being a lot of detail around it.

I could be wrong.
I don't think she did.

If she had, there'd have been much less questioning of her 'advice' from Stannis & his wife I think

ali_kat

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FiF said:
The thing that made me get a speck of dust in my eye was the sound of Summer's fate. Old softy for animals I'm afraid.
Made me cry too, I'd just got over the realisation that she wasn't going to come running through when Hodor...

Halb

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TREMAiNE said:
Theory:

stuff
I've got no brain left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9Jsj9V_Aqg

Game of Thrones Season 6: Inside the Episode #5 (HBO)


Sansa preggers....ergh...

Spanna

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175 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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Halb said:
TREMAiNE said:
Theory:

stuff
I've got no brain left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9Jsj9V_Aqg

Game of Thrones Season 6: Inside the Episode #5 (HBO)


Sansa preggers....ergh...
Possible and it wouldn't be a bd, it'd be a Bolton.

ali_kat

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TREMAiNE said:
Also:

Sansa:"I can still feel it-- I don't mean in my tender heart it still pains me so. I can still feel what he (Ramsay) did in my body standing here right now." Could Sansa be Pregnant?
Doubt it, we haven't heard of any little Ramsey bds running around and he's not exactly kept it in his trousers; I think he's a Jaffa or the kennel girl would be likely to have whelped for him based on the length of their relationship.

But, unfortunately I can advise that 'violent sex' hurts; for months afterwards frown

Edited by ali_kat on Tuesday 24th May 12:47

TREMAiNE

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Halb said:
I've got no brain left.
hehe

In theory every Brandon Stark throughout history could be Bran. Its so interesting.

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