Game of Thrones - No spoilers

[GarryDK]

ali_kat said:

Littlefinger didn't become Lord of the Vale, Robin is Lord of the Vale

Women don't inherit in Westeros, that is one of the major plot points from Dorne where they do.

He is Lord Protector of the Vale, until Robin comes of age.

Or marrying a Stark girl to become heir of Winterfell.

[ali_kat]

GarryDK said:

He is Lord Protector of the Vale, until Robin comes of age.

Or marrying a Stark girl to become heir of Winterfell.

He is, but that is NOT Lord of the Vale; and if Robin dies he loses that title too.

Marrying Sansa/Arya doesn't make them heir of Winterfell, IF they get them pregnant it makes them the Father of the heir.

Women do not inherit in Westeros.

Iron Throne: All male claimants must be exhausted in order for a female to inherit. If the king has a brother and a daughter, the brother would inherit before the daughter. This goes back to the Dance of the Dragons, when Rhaenyra was defeated by her brother. When Aegon II died, Aegon III became king despite Aegon II having a daughter. When Aegon III's sons Daeron I and Baelor I died, Aegon III's brother became Viserys II; Aegon III had three daughters who were not eligible to become queen.

Dorne: The oldest child inherits no matter what, male or female. Arianne Martell is Doran Martell's heir despite having two brothers.

Iron Islands: Kingship is voted upon, heir or no heir.

Everywhere Else: Sons inherit before daughters, but daughters inherit before their uncles. Cersei comes before Kevan in the succession to Casterly Rock. Becoming a Kingsguard, septon, Night's Watch brother or maester is to remove oneself from the succession of your house. Jaime, for instance, would be barred from inheriting Casterly Rock because he's a Kingsguard; likewise Sam Tarly.

bds: A legitimized bd, in theory, would come after any trueborn children, including girls, no matter the gender of the bd. I say in theory because this can be fudged based on political expediency.

Family Names: A family name is attached to the land, titles and castle of a house. If an heiress becomes lady of her castle and lands and marries a male non-heir, their children would take her name. If a female-line male inherits land and titles from his mother's family, he would take his mother's maiden name. The Martells have often had ruling princesses instead of princes, and yet they are still Martells.

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Laws_and_Custo...

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Laws_and_Custo...

[Halb]

I have a new part-time job that allows me time to read lots of GoT theories...

Found this letter all the way from 1993, it's not a spoiler as so much of the story has changed, it really is quite interesting to see how it has changed, all for the better.
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/140083...

[motorizer]

ali_kat said:

Jaime, for instance, would be barred from inheriting Casterly Rock because he's a Kingsguard;

Didn't Jamie just get sacked from the kingsguard? Does that make him eligible again?

[GarryDK]

ali_kat said:

Stuff

Brilliant, I tip my hat to you.

[Jasandjules]

glazbagun said:

One thing I am slightly suspiscious of is when he said that one way or another there would be a face added to the vault- surely if a contract was agreed on the actress they can't renege on the deal just because their apprentice screwed up? So either it was a test and Arya can kill the Waif or that actress is getting killed anyway.

I took that to be a straightforward matter.

Here is the target, you will kill her. If you do not, we will kill you.

Hence the reason why she took her sword and fled rather than returning to him to say sorry.............Well, yet anyways...


ETA - and even if the mother of dragons only had 3 blokes, how many armies are going to stand there whilst three dragons toast them?!?!?

Edited by Jasandjules on Wednesday 1st June 15:32

[ali_kat]

GarryDK said:

Brilliant, I tip my hat to you.

Thank you, but that isn't all my own work - I knew but wanted to be sure and my Google skills are excellent

[glazbagun]

Jasandjules said:

I took that to be a straightforward matter.

Here is the target, you will kill her. If you do not, we will kill you.

Hence the reason why she took her sword and fled rather than returning to him to say sorry.............Well, yet anyways...

No I get that. But in the scenario where Arya lets the actress live and is killed herself... How is that any good to the person who has just paid a fortune or given a child to kill the actress?

Surely Arya can't buy that persons life with her own/the Waifs, that's a rubbish way to do business and an easy way to trash your reputation as super assassins.

Which is why I wonder if the actress was chosen by Jaken as a test rather than being a paid hit.

If this is the case then killing the Waif might save Arya.

[Bullett]

Maybe they have a one in one out policy?

[FourWheelDrift]

Bullett said:

Maybe they have a one in one out policy?

They are well used to cuts in Game of Thrones.

[Jasandjules]

glazbagun said:

Which is why I wonder if the actress was chosen by Jaken as a test rather than being a paid hit.

Yes I also think it was a test, which is why it must be a "good" person....

[mattyn1]

Tony Starks said:

mattyn1 said:

I really don't like watching one episode per week, I prefer binge watching. So therefore am tempted to utilise series link, disengage from this thread and watch Season 1 - 5 over the next ten weeks, then do this season on completion in one hit!

You should try and PH could run a book on how long you last until someone tells you, you click the wrong link or give in and watch

Almost there.....just after S06E01 aired, I started watching the whole saga from the beginning. Tonight watched S06E03. As awesome as it has always been, if not better.
I will be completely up to date by Monday!

[Tony Starks]

Jasandjules said:

glazbagun said:

Which is why I wonder if the actress was chosen by Jaken as a test rather than being a paid hit.

Yes I also think it was a test, which is why it must be a "good" person....

I think he knew what the play was about and how it portrayed her family and the people she hated. It would stir up emotions and I he test was to see how she reacted. I think there was a bit of sympathy for Cersei in the end from Arya.

[glazbagun]

Tony Starks said:

Jasandjules said:

glazbagun said:

Which is why I wonder if the actress was chosen by Jaken as a test rather than being a paid hit.

Yes I also think it was a test, which is why it must be a "good" person....

I think he knew what the play was about and how it portrayed her family and the people she hated. It would stir up emotions and I he test was to see how she reacted. I think there was a bit of sympathy for Cersei in the end from Arya.

Yeah if it was a test to see if she had truly become No One I can think of few better. I liked the observation the actress made about how Arya analysed the character too- as a faceless man she's been understanding motivations and developing empathy and observation... when she applies these talents to the character she ends up empathising with actual Cersei and realizes it. Brilliant scene.

[Halb]

mattyn1 said:

Almost there.....just after S06E01 aired, I started watching the whole saga from the beginning. Tonight watched S06E03. As awesome as it has always been, if not better.
I will be completely up to date by Monday!

Hope you paid attention!

[4x4Tyke]

Gilly is confirmed as bit hot under all that grime and fiercely protective of her man. Not sure why Sam left her to sleep alone, if man and wife.

GarryDK said:

Samwell Tarley is a man of the nights watch and therefore cannot have a claim.

A minor inconvenience when you have enough military or political power. A claim without power is without substance and when you have enough military power to back your claim anything is possible. Witness Roberts claim was founded entirely with military force.

How many of Robert's bds actually survive and who actually knows about them is still an somewhat open question.

We know at least one survives and I suspect another, there is a strong similarity between Brienne's squire Podrick and Gendry.

Edited by 4x4Tyke on Thursday 2nd June 08:10

[4x4Tyke]

glazbagun said:

Which is why I wonder if the actress was chosen by Jaken as a test rather than being a paid hit.

I agree, the victim doesn't fit the usual profile. Given the faceless men accept their own commissions so why is Jaqen giving the job to Arya. Some form of test to ensure they have the appropriate ethical stance is essential. The actress is Arya test and she is the Waifs ethical test.

[4x4Tyke]

Tony Starks said:

a bit of sympathy for Cersei in the end from Arya.

Yes, realisation they are both engaged in the same 'game', but dispassion rather than sympathy replacing hatred.

[Janluke]

Some of the actors in the troupe seem quite high profile I can't help thinking we're going to see more of them. Arya travelling back to Westeros as part of the troupe?

[chris watton]

Janluke said:

Some of the actors in the troupe seem quite high profile I can't help thinking we're going to see more of them. Arya travelling back to Westeros as part of the troupe?

My thoughts, too. That makes the most sense to me.