Game of Thrones - No spoilers

[motorizer]

MartG said:

rohrl said:

I still hold out some hope that Ramsay Bolton meets a nasty end though.

Did he notice Sansa pick up that corkscrew ?

On previous form, I'd say yes he did.......

[JagLover]

vxr8mate said:

As with any good story arc it's starting to show a few cracks now.

The king has access to any number of gold cloaks, army etc ready to clean out these fanatics, so why doesn't he? I appreciate he is a little meek, but he can't be that far removed from his brother (loon), his mum (crafty), his father (swordsman) etc. Are we really expected to believe that the city would be like it is now so soon after the death of Tywin Lannister.

The Goldcloaks are little more than a glorified city watch and comparatively few in number, even more so after the battle of Blackwater.

As with many mediaeval kingdoms the numbers of troops under the kings direct control are dwarfed by the numbers his most important Nobles can put into the field.

A few thousand armed religious fanatics are a very significant force INSIDE the walls of KL. Yes, given time, he could summon more loyal troops and suppress them, but any conflict between church and state is very problematic.

[lemmingjames]

MartG said:

Did he notice Sansa pick up that corkscrew ?

I think the corkscrew incident was just her becoming 'more violent' and understanding what is required but then she switched to Lord B's tactic and is maneovering Ramsey into killing his fathers wife and starting an internal feud

Halb - have you not seen the rumours that the High Sparrow is the Frogman lord (you know the dad of the 2 that accompanied Bran) and knows the truth about Jon

As for Stannis and his supply chain, his numbers are smaller now and he lost alot of land. He then decided to do the right thing and head north to fight the wildlings. Jon then kicked him out effectively as he doesnt have enough food to feed them.

I did think that Sam was going to go ape st on those two but i wonder if Bran hacked into him somehow as Sam fainted at the end (same as Hodor).

Will be interesting to see Brienne get into Winterfell.

Either way, for quite a few of these characters, anything they get up to wont be in the books anymore

[vxr8mate]

JagLover said:

vxr8mate said:

As with any good story arc it's starting to show a few cracks now.

The king has access to any number of gold cloaks, army etc ready to clean out these fanatics, so why doesn't he? I appreciate he is a little meek, but he can't be that far removed from his brother (loon), his mum (crafty), his father (swordsman) etc. Are we really expected to believe that the city would be like it is now so soon after the death of Tywin Lannister.

The Goldcloaks are little more than a glorified city watch and comparatively few in number, even more so after the battle of Blackwater.

As with many mediaeval kingdoms the numbers of troops under the kings direct control are dwarfed by the numbers his most important Nobles can put into the field.

A few thousand armed religious fanatics are a very significant force INSIDE the walls of KL. Yes, given time, he could summon more loyal troops and suppress them, but any conflict between church and state is very problematic.

The Gold Cloaks were deemed to be a significant force when Ned Stark wanted to take over.

His important nobles will be helping him not fighting against him.

Not too sure where you get the 'few thousand' from, but trained fighters V's monks...and we're not talking Shaolin here.

Edited by vxr8mate on Tuesday 26th May 16:04

Edited by vxr8mate on Tuesday 26th May 16:05

[Mafffew]

JagLover said:

vxr8mate said:

As with any good story arc it's starting to show a few cracks now.

The king has access to any number of gold cloaks, army etc ready to clean out these fanatics, so why doesn't he? I appreciate he is a little meek, but he can't be that far removed from his brother (loon), his mum (crafty), his father (swordsman) etc. Are we really expected to believe that the city would be like it is now so soon after the death of Tywin Lannister.

The Goldcloaks are little more than a glorified city watch and comparatively few in number, even more so after the battle of Blackwater.

As with many mediaeval kingdoms the numbers of troops under the kings direct control are dwarfed by the numbers his most important Nobles can put into the field.

A few thousand armed religious fanatics are a very significant force INSIDE the walls of KL. Yes, given time, he could summon more loyal troops and suppress them, but any conflict between church and state is very problematic.

Also the High Sparrow has the people on his side. If the king sent the troops into the sept, the people would revolt against him.

[Halb]

JagLover said:

vxr8mate said:

As with any good story arc it's starting to show a few cracks now.
The king has access to any number of gold cloaks, army etc ready to clean out these fanatics, so why doesn't he? I appreciate he is a little meek, but he can't be that far removed from his brother (loon), his mum (crafty), his father (swordsman) etc. Are we really expected to believe that the city would be like it is now so soon after the death of Tywin Lannister.

The Goldcloaks are little more than a glorified city watch and comparatively few in number, even more so after the battle of Blackwater.
As with many mediaeval kingdoms the numbers of troops under the kings direct control are dwarfed by the numbers his most important Nobles can put into the field.
A few thousand armed religious fanatics are a very significant force INSIDE the walls of KL. Yes, given time, he could summon more loyal troops and suppress them, but any conflict between church and state is very problematic.

Yeah, the goldcloaks as we know, need paying, and the crown is effectively broke, so I can't see their numbers being strong. Kevan and the Lannister powerbase has been driven off by Cersei. The Crown is in a historically weak position, the Tyrell army is effectively blocked to Cersei now, and Tommen was playing with kittens last year, he is just young. He can't rule.

vxr8mate said:

We keep seeing important characters walking around Kingslanding with just one or two guards to protect them!!! With these religious nutters burning and looting everywhere wouldn't they be a little better protected?
Surely the 'would be' king Beratheon would have planned out his supply lines a little better, before heading off into whatever storm happens to blow his way? I know he has the witch to believe in, but not reckoning on a storm in the NORTH!!
The dragon Queen seems to have just parked up and decided to get married!! What's all that about... there was no stopping her conquering city after city in season 4, but now she's practically got her slippers on!
And the wolf that was there one minute and gone the next was all a little strange for me.
Don't get me wrong, it's still entertaining, but just not as much as season 4.

I thought the sellwords beside Littlefinger was a clever way to show what he can offer as defence. Vale knights won't come to the capital, he only has acess to them when the Lords of the Vale allow it. So Little finger is reduced to paying for sellwords, and with his business in ruins, how goes his finances? I don't think anyone has actually realisd just how dangerous this religious fanatics are. They have all been used for decades to leaching septons and drunk priests.

I think Stannis is playing for it all, st or bust, as he said, he couldn't stay at the wall.

The point of Danni's story is that conquering and ruling isn't the same, that's what Robert Baratheon found, and the kingdom went to st.

I do think the wolf scene was very clumsy though. That was rushed.

[P-Jay]

Mafffew said:

JagLover said:

vxr8mate said:

As with any good story arc it's starting to show a few cracks now.

The king has access to any number of gold cloaks, army etc ready to clean out these fanatics, so why doesn't he? I appreciate he is a little meek, but he can't be that far removed from his brother (loon), his mum (crafty), his father (swordsman) etc. Are we really expected to believe that the city would be like it is now so soon after the death of Tywin Lannister.

The Goldcloaks are little more than a glorified city watch and comparatively few in number, even more so after the battle of Blackwater.

As with many mediaeval kingdoms the numbers of troops under the kings direct control are dwarfed by the numbers his most important Nobles can put into the field.

A few thousand armed religious fanatics are a very significant force INSIDE the walls of KL. Yes, given time, he could summon more loyal troops and suppress them, but any conflict between church and state is very problematic.

Also the High Sparrow has the people on his side. If the king sent the troops into the sept, the people would revolt against him.

I think we're over estimating his ability to be rational - even last night he was ready to have the sparrows slaughtered to save his Wife, it was his Mother who clamed him down (because it suited her) - I have a suspicion that he's going to "kick right off" when he hears his Mum's been captured.

[Halb]

vxr8mate said:

The Gold Cloaks were deemed to be a significant force when Ned Stark wanted to take over.
His important nobles will be helping him not fighting against him.
Not too sure where you get the 'few thousand' from, but trained fighters V's monks...and we're not talking Shaolin here.

Edited by vxr8mate on Tuesday 26th May 16:04

Edited by vxr8mate on Tuesday 26th May 16:05

That was four years ago. Ned had 50 swords left. Cersei must have had around double or more that number? They were paid by Littlefinger anyway.
The numbers of the sparrows might have been mentioned, not sure, but the mood of the people has been a theme for several years, the people hated Joffreey and his throne wasn't safe, but the TYrell goodwill and food reversed that. That situation now though has been reversed again. It's a powderkeg that it needed smart people to stay on top of. How many swords can Cersei ask for now? 20?

[Halb]

lemmingjames said:

Halb - have you not seen the rumours that the High Sparrow is the Frogman lord (you know the dad of the 2 that accompanied Bran) and knows the truth about Jon

I'll take that to t'other thread.

[jesusbuiltmycar]

Halb said:

I do think the wolf scene was very clumsy though. That was rushed.

The CGI was very poor, probably the worst they have had in the whole series.

[Halb]

jesusbuiltmycar said:

The CGI was very poor, probably the worst they have had in the whole series.

I can forgive if they spent it all on dragons for the last ep!

[smithyithy]

P-Jay said:

I think we're over estimating his ability to be rational - even last night he was ready to have the sparrows slaughtered to save his Wife, it was his Mother who clamed him down (because it suited her) - I have a suspicion that he's going to "kick right off" when he hears his Mum's been captured.

But with the only 'free' Lannister in King's landing being a soft young boy, how far are the King's Guard willing to go before they bugger off?

[redtwin]

Halb said:

Tommen was playing with kittens last year

Yes, but he has been playing with something else much more enjoyable this year and it is still hard to imagine not employing everything in his power to get his leg over again.

Well, that's what I would be doing.

[MartG]

smithyithy said:

P-Jay said:

I think we're over estimating his ability to be rational - even last night he was ready to have the sparrows slaughtered to save his Wife, it was his Mother who clamed him down (because it suited her) - I have a suspicion that he's going to "kick right off" when he hears his Mum's been captured.

But with the only 'free' Lannister in King's landing being a soft young boy, how far are the King's Guard willing to go before they bugger off?

I suspect Olenna Tyrell and Baelish will offer him some advice

[TREMAiNE]

Halb said:

Tommen was playing with kittens last year.

Whats changed? He's still playing with pussy this year!

[deanobeano]

Can someone answer this for me? I couldn't get it out of mind at the Wall funeral pyre.

Since the dead chap was the brother of the mad king, would he have burnt in the fire?

Minor I know but enlighten me please!

[smithyithy]

Only fireproof when he's alive? At a guess, I'm not sure..

[TREMAiNE]

deanobeano said:

Can someone answer this for me? I couldn't get it out of mind at the Wall funeral pyre.

Since the dead chap was the brother of the mad king, would he have burnt in the fire?

Minor I know but enlighten me please!

Good question!

Also, whist we're on the subject of Grand Maester Aemon, does he die in the books? His death came out of nowhere so I was guessing that the actor might have been written out because he doesn't want to do it anymore - he is pretty old!

[Butter Face]

I don't think all of the Targaryens are fireproof like Danerys and possibly once you're dead it doesn't count anyway??

[RammyMP]

Butter Face said:

I don't think all of the Targaryens are fireproof like Danerys and possibly once you're dead it doesn't count anyway??

That chap wasn't very heat proof when Drogo gave him a molten crown!