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Watchman

6,391 posts

244 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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4Q said:
The way the dire wolves were found and the coincidence that there were just enough to give one to each stark child (incl ghost for Jon), and because of the way they formed a bond with each of of them, I was expecting great things from them in the story but they all seem to die way too easily and without any contribution to the story. Yes Summer went down with a fight, but rather frivolously as it didn't facilitate Brans escape or save his life. Shaggydog and Lady were beheaded and Grey Wind was killed in a kennel. Really frustrating and a waste of plot line. Nymeria is god knows where after Arya sent her off to fend for herself so only Ghost is left to do something great.
I agree with this, and especially because the books really "bigged them up" in terms of their size leaving you with the impression they would be a force to reckon with, rather like the dragons.

Disappointing all round.

Janluke

2,553 posts

157 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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4Q said:
The way the dire wolves were found and the coincidence that there were just enough to give one to each stark child (incl ghost for Jon), and because of the way they formed a bond with each of of them, I was expecting great things from them in the story but they all seem to die way too easily and without any contribution to the story. Yes Summer went down with a fight, but rather frivolously as it didn't facilitate Brans escape or save his life. Shaggydog and Lady were beheaded and Grey Wind was killed in a kennel. Really frustrating and a waste of plot line. Nymeria is god knows where after Arya sent her off to fend for herself so only Ghost is left to do something great.
I think the dire wolves shadow the Starks. In the beginning you think the Starks are going to be the heroes, they appear honourable, do the right thing everything a fantasy clan should be. As the story moves on they make bad decisions and are actually a bit crap.

Woody

2,187 posts

283 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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How far away from the Wall is Bran?

Does Bran need to be connected to a tree to have his visions?

If Hodor came back as a WW would Bran still be able to warg in to him? Could add an interesting element to the fight against the WW's.

mandos_01

628 posts

100 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Has it been explained who can be warged into?

Could Bran pick someone at random and do it, or is it only those he has a strong connection to (Summer, Hodor etc)

Spanna

3,732 posts

175 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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mandos_01 said:
Has it been explained who can be warged into?

Could Bran pick someone at random and do it, or is it only those he has a strong connection to (Summer, Hodor etc)
Wiki on Warging:

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Warg

My understanding is that Warging could only be done to animals or those with weak minds (Hodor). There is some precedence for saying it is easier to Warg into animals that a human has a bond with.

A lot of the Stark children supposedly have the power, but Bran is the only one to harness it in the show. As Bran's powers progress we could see him become very powerful, warging a dragon or another sound minded human.

Of course he might just die too, such is GoT.

ali_kat

31,988 posts

220 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Some interesting theories I've seen..

Missandei has ridiculous language skills and a nearly-always-consistent tone of voice -- these are Faceless Men traits.


When Daario was recast, he looks completely different from the previous Daario, but an awful lot like a younger version of Benjen Stark, who disappeared early in Season 1 and hasn't been heard from since. Maybe he's doing a task for Maester Aemon, who in the books bemoans that he's not by Daenerys' side? They made the casting change when they found out GRRM's ultimate designs for him.


When Bran and the Three-Eyed Raven traveled back to the events outside the Tower of Joy in the May 8 episode, Bran was apparently able to shout and be heard by the younger version of his father, Ned Stark. What if, going back further, the "whispers" that the Mad King Aerys Targaryen heard were simply Bran trying to warn him that they need DragonFire to kill the WW to him and it was actually he who set in motion the events of the show?

lemmingjames

7,434 posts

203 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Spanna said:
Wiki on Warging:

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Warg

My understanding is that Warging could only be done to animals or those with weak minds (Hodor). There is some precedence for saying it is easier to Warg into animals that a human has a bond with.

A lot of the Stark children supposedly have the power, but Bran is the only one to harness it in the show. As Bran's powers progress we could see him become very powerful, warging a dragon or another sound minded human.

Of course he might just die too, such is GoT.
Apart from Jon warging into Ghost when he was in no mans land with the watch and in the books, Ayra wargs into a cat but fights through her body when she was blinded - thought they might have shown that but guess not.

Nymeria was reportedly/sstrongly hinted at, that she was leading a pack of wolves and attacking soldiers around Kings Landing - so bit of a free spirit.

In the books, the chief warg of the wildlings was able to warg into other people and did so to escape the wights. The soul he swapped with though died in his body.

I reckon itll be black hands rocking up on the horse unless its already been leaked in casting on who it is?

Halb

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53,012 posts

182 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Janluke said:
I think the dire wolves shadow the Starks. In the beginning you think the Starks are going to be the heroes, they appear honourable, do the right thing everything a fantasy clan should be. As the story moves on they make bad decisions and are actually a bit crap.
One of the book titles was, A Time For Wolves.
The Direwolves have been pretty boss, Grey Wind and Ghost have done a lot.

Crazy essay written after the last ep.
http://towerofthehand.com/blog/2016/05/24-bran-bra...
"Durran would have none of it. A seventh castle he raised, most massive of all. Some said the children of the forest helped him build it, shaping the stones with magic; others claimed that a small boy told him what he must do, a boy who would grow to be Bran the Builder.
ACOK 32: Catelyn III"

the essay also deals with what i was chatting about earlier, bran and the wall falling, ansd why the WW seem to be meandering around

Rick_1138

3,656 posts

177 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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ali_kat said:
Some interesting theories I've seen..

Missandei has ridiculous language skills and a nearly-always-consistent tone of voice -- these are Faceless Men traits.


When Daario was recast, he looks completely different from the previous Daario, but an awful lot like a younger version of Benjen Stark, who disappeared early in Season 1 and hasn't been heard from since. Maybe he's doing a task for Maester Aemon, who in the books bemoans that he's not by Daenerys' side? They made the casting change when they found out GRRM's ultimate designs for him.


When Bran and the Three-Eyed Raven traveled back to the events outside the Tower of Joy in the May 8 episode, Bran was apparently able to shout and be heard by the younger version of his father, Ned Stark. What if, going back further, the "whispers" that the Mad King Aerys Targaryen heard were simply Bran trying to warn him that they need DragonFire to kill the WW to him and it was actually he who set in motion the events of the show?
That last one could actually work quite well, king goes mad 'hearing voices' and in the end it was Bran, given what we know from last episode, this could be a possibility, and be a very good story smile

FourWheelDrift

88,382 posts

283 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Rick_1138 said:
ali_kat said:
Some interesting theories I've seen..

Missandei has ridiculous language skills and a nearly-always-consistent tone of voice -- these are Faceless Men traits.


When Daario was recast, he looks completely different from the previous Daario, but an awful lot like a younger version of Benjen Stark, who disappeared early in Season 1 and hasn't been heard from since. Maybe he's doing a task for Maester Aemon, who in the books bemoans that he's not by Daenerys' side? They made the casting change when they found out GRRM's ultimate designs for him.


When Bran and the Three-Eyed Raven traveled back to the events outside the Tower of Joy in the May 8 episode, Bran was apparently able to shout and be heard by the younger version of his father, Ned Stark. What if, going back further, the "whispers" that the Mad King Aerys Targaryen heard were simply Bran trying to warn him that they need DragonFire to kill the WW to him and it was actually he who set in motion the events of the show?
That last one could actually work quite well, king goes mad 'hearing voices' and in the end it was Bran, given what we know from last episode, this could be a possibility, and be a very good story smile
"Let me just make a, er, note of that. For posterity reasons only"

Rick_1138

3,656 posts

177 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Nah, he is just writing another death of a beloved character with deadpan, cold dead eyes of a shark that he has......

The bd.

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glazbagun

14,259 posts

196 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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It's just all so brilliant. All that talk of how the first bit of the books are more reality and the ending fantasy isn't the half of it- the story we've been reading/watching all these years has been a poorly understood prequel to the war that happened.

Mad king Aerys hearing voices and playing with fire.

His son (who was apparently a total hero of a man) Rhaegar stealing Lyanna Stark, possibly getting her pregnant, and locking her in a tower, despite his being married with two children and generally thought of as thoroughly honorable. And his kingdom about to fall, he leaves his best knights guarding Lyanna.

Varys saving the Targaryens.

The importance of keeping a Stark in winterfell.

Euron Greyjoy goes mad at sea. Then he cuts out the tounges of his crew so he could have silence. Then he comes home with a plan to give his fleet to Daenerys. Part of the prayer to the drowned God- let the fish eat the scales from his eyes!

The entire show has been turned on its head in a fantastic way. The wall will surely now fall with Bran fleeing the whitewalkers and going south, the Starks either in winterfell or to the south when the WW come. Maybe Littlefinger grabs the north only to relinquish it when Winter comes and the starks manage to bag an abandoned and seemingly useless winterfell, when in reality it's one of the few safe places in Westeros.

Daenerys will be comming with an army and dragons, but it won't be the Usurper she's taking Westeros back from.

I'm so sad for anyone watching this show in years to come that they will have all of this spoiled. It's such an amazing reveal.

Edited by glazbagun on Wednesday 25th May 12:00

Spanna

3,732 posts

175 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Some were asking in this thread about Littlefinger's teleportation and I saw this on Reddit showing how far Baelish travelled to meet with Sansa at Molestown (just South of castle black). I think GRRM was asked about travel and how far and fast some time ago, he said travel takes as long as the plot to keep up other than for massive distances (think Tyrion and Varys going to Essos).

The Kingsroad goes right by Winterfell according to the map and Baelish left Vale Knights at Moat Cailin, so he says. Has he popped in to the Boltons on the way passed to say "Hi!"?






FourWheelDrift

88,382 posts

283 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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motorizer

1,498 posts

170 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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We know he has a ship. he sailed north I reckon, same a Stannis did.
We don't know how much time has passed between episodes

4x4Tyke

6,506 posts

131 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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This presents an interesting possibility and could be brilliant plot twist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KYnNnzJfaE

glazbagun

14,259 posts

196 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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I've always thought it kind of obvious that the various plotlines operate in distinct time scales. The time between the Faith Militant arresting the Queen and the current plan to storm the place can't be long at all- a month or two at most.

Meanwhile Arya has become a ninja in the space of a single episode, despite spending a whole previous season progressing much slower.

We knew about Littlefinger gathering "his" army last season when talking with Cersei, the scene where he brings Arryn the bird and gathers "his" army is the next time we see him and felt overdue even then. I'd say it was his apperance in Ep4 that was out of synch, not Ep5.

lemmingjames

7,434 posts

203 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Is it me or does the map above look like a pigs head with something stuck on the top?

So we have Cornwall/Devon forming the jaw and then Wales ontop with Scotland bolted on for good measure?

4x4Tyke

6,506 posts

131 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Janluke said:
I think the dire wolves shadow the Starks. In the beginning you think the Starks are going to be the heroes, they appear honourable, do the right thing everything a fantasy clan should be. As the story moves on they make bad decisions and are actually a bit crap.
My thinking is similar, Lady dies because of Sansa 'betrayal' of her integrity and being a silly little girl wrt Joffery, while Numberia is saved because of Ayra integrity. Ned dies because he betrays his integrity by carrying out what he knows is an unjust execution of Lady.

Halb

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53,012 posts

182 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Spanna said:


Some were asking in this thread about Littlefinger's teleportation and I saw this on Reddit showing how far Baelish travelled to meet with Sansa at Molestown (just South of castle black). I think GRRM was asked about travel and how far and fast some time ago, he said travel takes as long as the plot to keep up other than for massive distances (think Tyrion and Varys going to Essos).

The Kingsroad goes right by Winterfell according to the map and Baelish left Vale Knights at Moat Cailin, so he says. Has he popped in to the Boltons on the way passed to say "Hi!"?
Baelish is possibly one of the richest men on the continent, he comes from an area known for smuggling and mastery of the sea, he has an army of informants and spies. I don't see any issue with him popping up. He has never had to pop up on the West coast.
The interesting thing here is the Vale army...they're at Moat Cailin...apparently.....so what do they do now...?
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