Bad Films I watched this weekend
Discussion
JonRB said:
chris watton said:
I haven't watched it yet, but intend to very soon, but I have heard many complain about a Sherman slugging it out with a Tiger - and winning.
Only in Hollywood...
I can't speak for the film because I haven't seen it, but there were incidents in WW2 of Shermans taking out Tigers. But it wasn't "slugging it out" - it was firing at close range into the thinner side armour of the Tiger. Face on, a Sherman didn't have a chance against a Tiger - its main gun was unable to penetrate the Tiger's frontal armour. Only in Hollywood...
(I happened to be watching 'Famous Tank Battles' on the Discovery Channel the other day and it was about just such a battle)
Edited by JonRB on Tuesday 17th February 09:22
Negative Creep said:
They do show the Shermans initially attacking head on and the shells bouncing off the front.
Yes. Apparently the sloped frontal armour of the Tiger not only increased the effective thickness but also caused shells to deflect rather than penetrate. I didn't know that until that aforementioned Discovery Channel programme (although I did know that sloped armour increases effective thickness. I'd just never made the connection with it also deflecting. )Also, apparently a Tiger could take out a Sherman with just one shot before the Sherman's main gun was even in range. Which is a bit scary.
Edited by JonRB on Tuesday 17th February 19:00
Is it a Tiger II then that is used in Fury. There's only one original runner left in France - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwdxCqLxNSU
Ah, no just seen the clip. It's a Tiger I, frontal armour on that isn't sloped but it is 105mm thick. They used the Bovington Museum runner for the film. - Tiger 131 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_131
If it was a Tiger II Brad Pitt wouldn't have stood a chance, short movie.
Ah, no just seen the clip. It's a Tiger I, frontal armour on that isn't sloped but it is 105mm thick. They used the Bovington Museum runner for the film. - Tiger 131 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_131
If it was a Tiger II Brad Pitt wouldn't have stood a chance, short movie.
FourWheelDrift said:
Is it a Tiger II then that is used in Fury. There's only one original runner left in France - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwdxCqLxNSU
Ah, no just seen the clip. It's a Tiger I, frontal armour on that isn't sloped but it is 105mm thick. They used the Bovington Museum runner for the film. - Tiger 131 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_131
If it was a Tiger II Brad Pitt wouldn't have stood a chance, short movie.
Ah. Ok. I take back everything I have been wittering on about then in that case. Ah, no just seen the clip. It's a Tiger I, frontal armour on that isn't sloped but it is 105mm thick. They used the Bovington Museum runner for the film. - Tiger 131 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_131
If it was a Tiger II Brad Pitt wouldn't have stood a chance, short movie.
Northmen: A Viking Saga
An empty film with little/no story and no real ending. The whole film is one of those "run from the bad guys" type. Rubbish. I only watched it because I'm enjoying the TV series "Vikings" and hoped for something extra between episodes. It failed.
American Heist
Young Darth Vadar fails to energise a limp script (he can be good in some films - he smoulders well). Adrian Brody overacted. Script was thin. I gave up watching and surfed PH instead.
Let's Kill Ward's Wife
The film seemed to want to set the characters up for a clever story about plotting to kill Ward's wife, the act itself, and then how they got away with it. Instead, they talked about "what if", then accidentally/opportunistically did the deed, then got away with it by accident. The characters didn't react to the event in a way you actually understood either.
Just odd.
An empty film with little/no story and no real ending. The whole film is one of those "run from the bad guys" type. Rubbish. I only watched it because I'm enjoying the TV series "Vikings" and hoped for something extra between episodes. It failed.
American Heist
Young Darth Vadar fails to energise a limp script (he can be good in some films - he smoulders well). Adrian Brody overacted. Script was thin. I gave up watching and surfed PH instead.
Let's Kill Ward's Wife
The film seemed to want to set the characters up for a clever story about plotting to kill Ward's wife, the act itself, and then how they got away with it. Instead, they talked about "what if", then accidentally/opportunistically did the deed, then got away with it by accident. The characters didn't react to the event in a way you actually understood either.
Just odd.
ash73 said:
Asterix said:
Fury is a middling and ultimately disappointing War film.
Middling? Jeez some people are hard to please, bunch of moaning minnies I can understand criticisms of the ending, more so the Vietnam-like morality, but it's anything but mediocre.
It's an OK film but let's itself down in a way that Band of Brothers, Das Boot and even Saving Private Ryan doesn't.
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