Bad Films I watched this weekend
Discussion
ash73 said:
The whole film is a magic trick, and I think it's smart because they actually achieved a sleight of hand in a movie. I think people get p*ssed off because they miss it. I enjoyed it because it registered in the moment just enough for me to question what I was seeing, it just happened to be pitched right for me. Others obsess about plot holes, but I think that's missing the point.
There is nothing to miss. The whole thing is ridiculously improbable anyway. Let's not forget that hypnotism doesn't work like that and pick pockets are not ubber ninjas that can kick ass. The whole escape plan had so many ways to fail....Top tip. When there is a story about a guy who died/ went missing, 4 people were summoned by a person unknown and a top star like ruffalo is coming across as poor or incompetent there is a reason for it I'm no f
king columbo but it was obvious . If you didn't get that ' twist' you need to watch more films or something and not accuse others of missing things.The whole film was style over substance and interesting story could have been done a lot, lot better.
ash73 said:
You're making inferences based on who the actor is, rather than piecing it together from what you saw with your own eyes in the film. You missed it, you say you didn't, but I'd put money on it 
Because you missed you assume everybody else did. You are projecting. Yes he was a clue being a star but you have ignored everything else I said.As soon as the bird from inglorious turned up I was divided between him or her.
Then they played the he's being humiliated card, a dead give away I'm afraid, telegraphed it.
I'm assuming you are young and haven't noticed the tricks film makers to miss direct. There was obviously a 5th person it had to be one of three. At one point I considered all of them being in on it. But very quickly it was fairly obvious. In these stories there always has to be a fall guy. It was so formulaic, it was thriller by the numbers.
I don't always gets twists right, sometimes I do sometimes I don't, this one I pretty much nailed from the start. It's been done too many times in various forms.
All of this aside the rest of it was still b
ks just impossible and would not work.Yes and ?
A nice clue towards the ending. I did miss that, no doubt there were others. How on earth does that negate anything else I've said or anything else about the film, none of the last part of the film could have worked.
How does that change what the film is?
Go and watch the Prestige or even that other one with norton and that fit bird.
A nice clue towards the ending. I did miss that, no doubt there were others. How on earth does that negate anything else I've said or anything else about the film, none of the last part of the film could have worked.
How does that change what the film is?
Go and watch the Prestige or even that other one with norton and that fit bird.
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Wow. Hilarious when you are focusing on one line not seeing the rest of the film was improbable/ impossible stte style over substance
Yes there was a very clever and I missed that one clue ( not sure if that was before the safe story) how the fk does that mean I was tricked? It wasn't a magic trick it was one long revenge story using illusion or did you miss that, planned and worked on for years. However I got there I got there, I didn't care about the characters and there were no surprises compared with the two other magic films I mentioned where I had no clue what was going to happen, and interested until the end. This was just fluff.
One clever line does make a film. It was a good hint that's all. You are reading far too much into it. That still doesn't mean New York pick pockets are ninjas and expert stunt drivers.
I still worked out how the film would end. It was still ste.
I'm glad you enjoyed it. Ps I was never telling you I was intelligent in fact the opposite, I said I was no Colombo. Somebody started first by implying people were too slow to understand it and annoyed them which is extremely patronising they even used the sarcastic smiley I responded directly to that. It's been the fans who are saying they are the clever ones and implying anybody who doesn't like it is thick, not thinking because I missed one clue. As if now knowing there was a clue the rest of the film now makes total sense and is in fact fabulous.
My first comment just said something like it was ste how did it get green lighted. Read back and check. I then said it was style over substance which it is. A nice idea, with some clever bits but done poorly.
ash73 said:
Pesty said:
How does that change what the film is?
You're not listening, or thinking. The tell was the very first moment they met, the truth was right in front of them and us. You didn't see it, you said so yourself; you were tricked. The whole film is a magic trick, not an episode of Columbo. Meanwhile you were analysing minor details and plot holes, thinking about actors and their past roles, telling us you were smart and figured it out when you were blind guessing, and ironically the ENTIRE point of the film is "the more you look the less you see".tte style over substance Yes there was a very clever and I missed that one clue ( not sure if that was before the safe story) how the f
k does that mean I was tricked? It wasn't a magic trick it was one long revenge story using illusion or did you miss that, planned and worked on for years. However I got there I got there, I didn't care about the characters and there were no surprises compared with the two other magic films I mentioned where I had no clue what was going to happen, and interested until the end. This was just fluff.One clever line does make a film. It was a good hint that's all. You are reading far too much into it. That still doesn't mean New York pick pockets are ninjas and expert stunt drivers.
I still worked out how the film would end. It was still s
te.I'm glad you enjoyed it. Ps I was never telling you I was intelligent in fact the opposite, I said I was no Colombo. Somebody started first by implying people were too slow to understand it and annoyed them which is extremely patronising they even used the sarcastic smiley I responded directly to that. It's been the fans who are saying they are the clever ones and implying anybody who doesn't like it is thick, not thinking because I missed one clue. As if now knowing there was a clue the rest of the film now makes total sense and is in fact fabulous.
My first comment just said something like it was s
te how did it get green lighted. Read back and check. I then said it was style over substance which it is. A nice idea, with some clever bits but done poorly.Edited by Pesty on Sunday 28th June 19:56
You had one point this entire discussion which is I missed one clue therefore I'm not thinking and don't get it. Yes I did blindly guess the ending through experience which says a lot it says the film was predictable and unoriginal.
I'm stupid so I shouldn't be able to guess the end. I want new I want original I want my mind blown. Not same old same old in shiny new packaging.
I want to get to the end and think wow I never saw that coming.
I wrote quite a bit there which you have ignored. You have not addressed anything about not caring about the characters or the impossible plot. Also the film was not one big magic trick it was a standard revenge story with a but of fluff about illusionists.
I won't drop to you level and be patronising or call you a liar as you have done to me.
But I will respond with a bit of sarcasm
Ok to make you feel better,
really intelligent people will think this film is intelligent, original,the characters had lots of substance and were likeable, they were all totally baddass stunt drivers with ninja like fighting skills it was all possible and a cracking thriller.
The part about stealing the safe at the end was entirely probable and nothing could have gone wrong at all because magic. 10 out of 10 thick people won't like it because the don't get it.
nobody could ever possibly guess the ending because it's so unpredictable and right at the start there is a line that will totally blow your mind that it's so awesome and great. And everything. Also flashing lights and noises.
Edited by Pesty on Sunday 28th June 22:09
Because I did did and was called on it so in responding as to why it's important. Nobody is upset or worked up.im writing as much as possible as a way to explain rather than a few lines giving digs.
I'm discussing how I would were we sat across the table in a pub. The insults are from you and the side of people who liked the film started it. What insults have I dished out?
You still have not addressed anything other than one point. You have not said anything about why the film is good. That says a lot.
I'm discussing how I would were we sat across the table in a pub. The insults are from you and the side of people who liked the film started it. What insults have I dished out?
You still have not addressed anything other than one point. You have not said anything about why the film is good. That says a lot.
Edited by Pesty on Sunday 28th June 22:14
ash73 said:
It just says I'm experienced enough to know when not to bother; your mind is made up. I enjoyed the film from the very first minute Woody conned a couple at the airport, I thought he was hilarious. How can you not like his character? The film is about illusion, sleight of hand and trickery, it's actually about the magic, that's what the style you hate so much represents, the revenge plot everyone is so desperate to unpick is just a sideline imo. Prestige is about obsession, not magic, I love that too but it's completely different. That's my interpretation anyhow.
Yes my mind is made up. I didn't like the film just as yours is about liking it. However look at the difference at your post above, different opinions is good, of course you wouldn't have changed my mind. The film bored me I wasn't entertained so I posted in this thread.If you had posted that instead of the heavily patronising and deliberately provocative posts that appeared I wouldn't have even bothered replying and we could have saved a lot of pixels. Your posts were provocative, you know it. The you didn't get it so you didn't like it was your implication it's trite and lazy and unbecoming of you and that other chap. ( actually reading that again you even manage with the " no point " and " desperately" lines to get digs in where they really are not nesesary)
Edited by Pesty on Sunday 28th June 22:54
Anywho...
Just gave up on 'Prince'.
Which is exactly what anyone involved in that film should have done.
Jesus wept it's bad. I've given up with 20 minutes to go. I really tried to keep going but it was just so bad I questioned the meaning of life.
It's like a st copy of 'Taken', with some odd scenes from GTA V (crappy car chase) and has more plot holes than Swiss cheese.
I watched it because Bruce Willis and John Cussack are in it. What I didn't realise that they are either short on cash or owe someone a massive favour and that person cashed in on this film.
0.00000000000000000000000001 out of 10.
Just gave up on 'Prince'.
Which is exactly what anyone involved in that film should have done.
Jesus wept it's bad. I've given up with 20 minutes to go. I really tried to keep going but it was just so bad I questioned the meaning of life.
It's like a s
t copy of 'Taken', with some odd scenes from GTA V (crappy car chase) and has more plot holes than Swiss cheese. I watched it because Bruce Willis and John Cussack are in it. What I didn't realise that they are either short on cash or owe someone a massive favour and that person cashed in on this film.
0.00000000000000000000000001 out of 10.
irocfan said:
A short, st film.... Kung Fury. I'm honestly not sure if this is in the running for the worst film of all time or genius. Cheesy 80's-ness, deliberately bad dreadful special effects, the worst acting I've even seen, cheesy 1-liners I really don't know what to make of it
Geniust film.... Kung Fury. I'm honestly not sure if this is in the running for the worst film of all time or genius. Cheesy 80's-ness, deliberately Mad Max: Fury Road - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1392190
Hmm, what to say. It certainly looked great, was an interesting idea, but I found it exhausting, it's one big action sequence that lasts 2 hours without a rest, it has very little dialogue or much of a story, they race across the desert for 90 minutes then turned round and drove back again. Petrol is precious so they're using the least fuel efficient vehicles imaginable, makes sense.
I guess I just didn't get it, not for me
5/10
Hmm, what to say. It certainly looked great, was an interesting idea, but I found it exhausting, it's one big action sequence that lasts 2 hours without a rest, it has very little dialogue or much of a story, they race across the desert for 90 minutes then turned round and drove back again. Petrol is precious so they're using the least fuel efficient vehicles imaginable, makes sense.
I guess I just didn't get it, not for me
5/10
Well this was purely by accident but
San Andreas Quake
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4547120/?ref_=nv_sr_2
What I was expecting (due to the DVD cover shown to me on my not quite legal resource) was a film featuring The Rock, that gets 6.6 on IMDB and I thought would be ideal Saturday Afternoon/Early Evening brain out viewing.
What I in fact sat through was quite possible the worst film I have ever seen, the effects are unbelievably bad, the acting even worse and minimal plot. Just terrible. Ordinarily I would have given up 30 mins in when I realised how bad it was, but I thought I was watching a different film and IMDB ratings rarely let me down so was waiting for it to get better and it just didnt.
It couldn't even be put in the Sharknado category of so bad its good, its just bad!
San Andreas Quake
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4547120/?ref_=nv_sr_2
What I was expecting (due to the DVD cover shown to me on my not quite legal resource) was a film featuring The Rock, that gets 6.6 on IMDB and I thought would be ideal Saturday Afternoon/Early Evening brain out viewing.
What I in fact sat through was quite possible the worst film I have ever seen, the effects are unbelievably bad, the acting even worse and minimal plot. Just terrible. Ordinarily I would have given up 30 mins in when I realised how bad it was, but I thought I was watching a different film and IMDB ratings rarely let me down so was waiting for it to get better and it just didnt.
It couldn't even be put in the Sharknado category of so bad its good, its just bad!
I watched Raging Bull for the first time on Saturday.
Maybe not "bad" but certainly not the masterpiece I'd been led to expect.
I know it was based on a real boxer's life, but I'm sure a plot could have been fashioned out of it somehow, rather than it just starting and ending at seemingly random points.
Plus, the Italian/American Dialogue gets to be a bit of a joke:
"I'm going to get some food"
"you're going to get some food?"
"Sure, I'm going to get some food, I'm hungry"
"You're hungry?"
"Sure, I'm hungry"
"You're always eating"
"So I'm always eating"
<etc for another five minutes until the director decides it's time to show us another slightly overly theatrical boxing match>
Maybe not "bad" but certainly not the masterpiece I'd been led to expect.
I know it was based on a real boxer's life, but I'm sure a plot could have been fashioned out of it somehow, rather than it just starting and ending at seemingly random points.
Plus, the Italian/American Dialogue gets to be a bit of a joke:
"I'm going to get some food"
"you're going to get some food?"
"Sure, I'm going to get some food, I'm hungry"
"You're hungry?"
"Sure, I'm hungry"
"You're always eating"
"So I'm always eating"
<etc for another five minutes until the director decides it's time to show us another slightly overly theatrical boxing match>
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