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Chris Huhne... going soon?

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Soovy

34,141 posts

168 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Mr E said:
don4l said:
A young lad is accused of making offensive comments on Facebook and it takes a couple of days to get him banged up. A wealthy MP is accused of PCOJ and not only does the case not get heard, but we are not allowed to find out why.
It is a valid point.
A few (very) off colour remarks and locked up for 12 weeks pretty damn quickly.
Looting in the summer riots, and justice doled out very swiftly.
Perverting the course of justice, months and months pass...
Because the evidence takes a long time to gather in a PTCOJ case.


LongQ

11,053 posts

130 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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A few random thoughts.

Keeping the case going offers the benefit of ensuring that Huhne is not in a government role just as effectively as a prison sentence would do.

It also offers more opportunities to question his decison making abilities and suitability for public office. If he can be written off without imprisonment we get the benefit of his removal without the cost of imprisonment, though I appreciate that the never ending court case probably incurs higher costs than prison would.

As a motoring oriented site I would have thought that the perversion of the deeper principles of Law that is represented by the quests of the Police and Prosecution Service to use PCOJ to prosecute for speeding ticket points avoidance (especially within a 'family' unit) would be something that most would not condone. These are speeding ticket points we are talking about not alibis for murderers or similar.

It would be in our interests on a day to day life basis if Huhne/Pryce were found not guilty.

However (since it's Huhne) that the case exists at all should be adequate recognition of his poor overall judgement and so is an excellent basis for constantly pointing out how unsuited he is to reliable and effective decision making ... etc. ..... se my erlier point above.

There seem to be several possible benefits from the case if the whole story is managed suitably well.

don4l

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5,207 posts

73 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Soovy said:
Because the evidence takes a long time to gather in a PTCOJ case.
This case has been going on for 18 months already. Now it won't get heard until next January at the earliest.

Does it not seem a bit odd to you? Is it normal that the reasons for the delays are withheld from the public? Is it normal that a judge gets arrested and a gagging order is slapped on that too?

Don
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Pesty

33,242 posts

153 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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one rule for them...

Mermaid

21,492 posts

68 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Mermaid said:
Plebs get done, so we will soon know where he stands
If I may quote myself from Oct 3 smile

Slaav

2,669 posts

107 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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don4l said:
This all seems very odd.

There seem to be a lot of gagging orders in this case.

A young lad is accused of making offensive comments on Facebook and it takes a couple of days to get him banged up. A wealthy MP is accused of PCOJ and not only does the case not get heard, but we are not allowed to find out why.


It is beginning to look like there is one law for wealthy MP's and a different law for the rest of us.

It stinks to high hell.


Don
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Wealthy MPs can afford top lawyers and QCs. Plebs on Facebook can't!

Even the CPS cannot afford readily the quality of QCs that wealthy individuals can smile

There seems to be an all too vital component in 'Law'; he who has deepest pockets and resolve, wins! frown

Mr E

16,423 posts

156 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Soovy said:
Because the evidence takes a long time to gather in a PTCOJ case.
Fair point.

GoneAnon

1,380 posts

49 months

Wednesday 14th November 2012
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Just thinking aloud, but if the Huhnes are found guilty of PCoJ, does she lose the points and he gains them, and then they both get punished for PCoJ, or do the points stay with her, or do the points get removed completely, or can they both be punished for the same speeding offence by way of points and fine?

If she keeps the fine and points for a speeding offence she DIDN'T commit and is then also punished for the offence she DID commit, surely that is a double-punishment, while he gets off entirely with the speeding offence at the root of this whole mess?


It was so much easier when a real cop stopped the car at the side of the road and could take a reasonable guess at whether the guilty party was the man or the woman! A few more of these cases and any savings made from policing on the cheap by camera will be lost entirely.

LongQ

11,053 posts

130 months

Wednesday 14th November 2012
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GoneAnon said:
Just thinking aloud, but if the Huhnes are found guilty of PCoJ, does she lose the points and he gains them, and then they both get punished for PCoJ, or do the points stay with her, or do the points get removed completely, or can they both be punished for the same speeding offence by way of points and fine?

If she keeps the fine and points for a speeding offence she DIDN'T commit and is then also punished for the offence she DID commit, surely that is a double-punishment, while he gets off entirely with the speeding offence at the root of this whole mess?


It was so much easier when a real cop stopped the car at the side of the road and could take a reasonable guess at whether the guilty party was the man or the woman! A few more of these cases and any savings made from policing on the cheap by camera will be lost entirely.
I would have thought that, in this case, the points were no longer an issue since the offence was some years ago.

As for the rest of the philosophical questions - yes, all rather absurd for a no damage and no 'victim' motoring 'offence' but that's what happens when regulation and automation become the nromal way of dealing with things.

mybrainhurts

81,589 posts

152 months

Wednesday 14th November 2012
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LongQ said:
As for the rest of the philosophical questions -
Never mind the points, I vote we just burn him at the stake now. Save feeding him in jail and it'll be one fewer climate alarmists around to kill old folks who can't afford to heat their homes.

Slaav

2,669 posts

107 months

Wednesday 14th November 2012
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mybrainhurts said:
LongQ said:
As for the rest of the philosophical questions -
Never mind the points, I vote we just burn him at the stake now. Save feeding him in jail and it'll be one fewer climate alarmists around to kill old folks who can't afford to heat their homes.
Was at a rugby dinner last week (at ICAEW) and Huhny was there... It is probably just me but he was very quiet and sheepish (in the audience)

Much smaller chap than I thought as well - but then he will just burn quicker at the stake smile


LongQ

11,053 posts

130 months

Wednesday 14th November 2012
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Slaav said:
Was at a rugby dinner last week (at ICAEW) and Huhny was there... It is probably just me but he was very quiet and sheepish (in the audience)

Much smaller chap than I thought as well - but then he will just burn quicker at the stake smile
Fly half or half fly?

mybrainhurts

81,589 posts

152 months

Wednesday 14th November 2012
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Slaav said:
mybrainhurts said:
LongQ said:
As for the rest of the philosophical questions -
Never mind the points, I vote we just burn him at the stake now. Save feeding him in jail and it'll be one fewer climate alarmists around to kill old folks who can't afford to heat their homes.
Was at a rugby dinner last week (at ICAEW) and Huhny was there... It is probably just me but he was very quiet and sheepish (in the audience)

Much smaller chap than I thought as well - but then he will just burn quicker at the stake smile
You were with the Huhneymonster and you failed to tie him to a stake?

What's wrong with you, man..?

Oh, you're an accountant.

I used to be an accountant...

But I'm all right now...smile

turbobloke

67,679 posts

157 months

Sunday 16th December 2012
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Chris Huhne ... back soon?

Laurence Brass, a lawyer and former Liberal Democrat parliamentary candidate, published a message on Twitter that said: ‘Breaking news. Met ex-Energy Sec Chris Huhne in Commons, who confirmed that prosecution against him will be dropped next month'. The message was deleted an hour later

Anything to corroborate or refute this?!

mybrainhurts

81,589 posts

152 months

Sunday 16th December 2012
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You just ruined my day week month year...irked

Bedazzled

9,850 posts

118 months

Sunday 16th December 2012
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Crikey is this thing still rumbling on? A woman scorned drops her bloke in it, over a speeding ticket? Not the nicest bloke in the world admittedly, but what a waste of tax payers' money and police resources.

mybrainhurts

81,589 posts

152 months

Sunday 16th December 2012
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Getting him behind bars is worth any sum of money you care to mention...

Slaav

2,669 posts

107 months

Sunday 16th December 2012
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This sanctimonious little waste of space will never go down for this!

The lawyers are still arguing behind the scenes unfortunately so I don't see the expected January trial proceeding.

Huhne has enough money to simply keep throwing it at his 'little problem'.

UNFORTUNATELY

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Crafty_

9,211 posts

97 months

Sunday 16th December 2012
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Now there's a surprise.

I wonder how much that cost him.

nigel_bytes

557 posts

133 months

Sunday 16th December 2012
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