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rover 623gsi said:
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-gree...
The statement by Rebekah Brooks on phone hacking is fascinating reading and deserves to be read closely.
Brooks is a piece of work. I seem to recall that when she was married to TV "hardman" Ross Kemp police were called to their home because SHE was beating HIM up.The statement by Rebekah Brooks on phone hacking is fascinating reading and deserves to be read closely.
unrepentant said:
Brooks is a piece of work. I seem to recall that when she was married to TV "hardman" Ross Kemp police were called to their home because SHE was beating HIM up.
Yep, was reported in Private Eye several times. She is very close to There was a programme on TV about 4 months ago (a repeat of one first broadcast last year), about the Chipping Norton Traingle and the links between Coulson, Brookes and Cameron. Made interesting viewing to say the least.
In that Brooke/Wade was not protrayed in a flattering light.
One thing that amazes me is that they come out and deny any knowledge of Hacking taking place under their watch. Really??
I worked at a small scale Community Radio Station (voluntary) for many years and one thing we were told, if we get a lead on any news story not being reported elsewhere, refer it to the Management Team before running with it so they can verify sources and ensure that the story does not interfere with Police investigations/embargos or end up with us being sued and taken off the air. A couple of situations happened like that where we had to hold off on a story whilst Police were investigating incidents that had taken place.
I would have thought if you were an editor and you had a breaking story that no-one else had, one of the first things you would do is ask where you got the story from. The main reason being to stop your arse getting sued if it is not true or obtained through dodgy means.
Also you would like to think staff would have been subject to briefings, and codes of conduct in what was acceptable ways of sourcing stories.
Either Coulson and Brookes knew what went on under their watch but turned a blind eye to it, or they were totally incompetent at their job and did not think to question where the stories came from.
I find it hard to believe, given the wide scale of hacking that is emerging that went on, that the editors would have not known where information was being obtained from.
Milliband is obviously pushing for her resignation as it does beat a way back to Coulson, his blunderous appointment in the Government and their close Friendship with Cameron.
In that Brooke/Wade was not protrayed in a flattering light.
One thing that amazes me is that they come out and deny any knowledge of Hacking taking place under their watch. Really??
I worked at a small scale Community Radio Station (voluntary) for many years and one thing we were told, if we get a lead on any news story not being reported elsewhere, refer it to the Management Team before running with it so they can verify sources and ensure that the story does not interfere with Police investigations/embargos or end up with us being sued and taken off the air. A couple of situations happened like that where we had to hold off on a story whilst Police were investigating incidents that had taken place.
I would have thought if you were an editor and you had a breaking story that no-one else had, one of the first things you would do is ask where you got the story from. The main reason being to stop your arse getting sued if it is not true or obtained through dodgy means.
Also you would like to think staff would have been subject to briefings, and codes of conduct in what was acceptable ways of sourcing stories.
Either Coulson and Brookes knew what went on under their watch but turned a blind eye to it, or they were totally incompetent at their job and did not think to question where the stories came from.
I find it hard to believe, given the wide scale of hacking that is emerging that went on, that the editors would have not known where information was being obtained from.
Milliband is obviously pushing for her resignation as it does beat a way back to Coulson, his blunderous appointment in the Government and their close Friendship with Cameron.
unrepentant said:
rover 623gsi said:
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-gree...
The statement by Rebekah Brooks on phone hacking is fascinating reading and deserves to be read closely.
Brooks is a piece of work. I seem to recall that when she was married to TV "hardman" Ross Kemp police were called to their home because SHE was beating HIM up.The statement by Rebekah Brooks on phone hacking is fascinating reading and deserves to be read closely.
anonymous said:
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No, she has not denied that. Read the analysis (linked above) of the statement.anonymous said:
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Yes, but NewsInt (and others - inc the Guardian) can and do take a calculated risk about all of these stories. The Great British Public does like a good story, and if the front page exclusive sell more papers, they'll shoot first and ask questions later.A bit of devils advocate here.
Yes belive me I am well up for a witch hunt if the allegations prove true over this poor girl however
Politicians have been going bonkers over this today on Radio 4. Yes thats right lieing scheeming cretins are up on their high horses. But they have a vested interest in tieing newpapers hands don't they?
They don't want their dirty little secrets getting out do they? their dirty deals, who they are shagging and what money they get for lobbying.
Am I alone in thinking we sometimes need this kind of thing? some proper investigative journos who will dig into things rather than just print press releases or Expected news fed to them by government spin doctors???
Food for thought or am I going mental gain?
Yes belive me I am well up for a witch hunt if the allegations prove true over this poor girl however
Politicians have been going bonkers over this today on Radio 4. Yes thats right lieing scheeming cretins are up on their high horses. But they have a vested interest in tieing newpapers hands don't they?
They don't want their dirty little secrets getting out do they? their dirty deals, who they are shagging and what money they get for lobbying.
Am I alone in thinking we sometimes need this kind of thing? some proper investigative journos who will dig into things rather than just print press releases or Expected news fed to them by government spin doctors???
Food for thought or am I going mental gain?
Pesty said:
Am I alone in thinking we sometimes need this kind of thing? some proper investigative journos who will dig into things rather than just print press releases or Expected news fed to them by government spin doctors???
Hear what you are saying but what happened in this instance is beyond the pale and just unacceptable. Investigative journalism is essential but there have to be boundaries. unrepentant said:
Hear what you are saying but what happened in this instance is beyond the pale and just unacceptable. Investigative journalism is essential but there have to be boundaries.
when you say 'this instace' do you mean the latest revelations about Milly Dowler? or are you bothered that that fat usless thick t
t who was deputy PM was not even bright enough to put a password on his message box?If its the first I fully agree. However the rest are fair game, I'm sure I am showing some double standards there but I just feel these people take the piss and the only way we will ever catch them out is by something like this.
Puts tin foil on head and goes to lie down.
ps another thing I just cannot belive the NOTW was the only paper to do this.
Pesty said:
unrepentant said:
Hear what you are saying but what happened in this instance is beyond the pale and just unacceptable. Investigative journalism is essential but there have to be boundaries.
when you say 'this instace' do you mean the latest revelations about Milly Dowler? or are you bothered that that fat usless thick tt who was deputy PM was not even bright enough to put a password on his message box?As I said investigative journalism is essential for the checks and balances but there are limits. I'm not squeamish and have used private detectives in a past life and sanctioned them doing things that are "frowned upon" today but the targets were always criminals.
Anyone seen the article by Hugh Grant (yes....that Hugh Grant) that was in the New Statesman in April?
He basically recorded a conversation with an ex-NOTW journalist and it mentions the Dowler voicemails (so this was an allegation published at least 3 months ago), and Coulson's involvement
http://www.newstatesman.com/newspapers/2011/04/pho...
He basically recorded a conversation with an ex-NOTW journalist and it mentions the Dowler voicemails (so this was an allegation published at least 3 months ago), and Coulson's involvement
http://www.newstatesman.com/newspapers/2011/04/pho...
Pesty said:
A bit of devils advocate here.
Yes belive me I am well up for a witch hunt if the allegations prove true over this poor girl however
Politicians have been going bonkers over this today on Radio 4. Yes thats right lieing scheeming cretins are up on their high horses. But they have a vested interest in tieing newpapers hands don't they?
They don't want their dirty little secrets getting out do they? their dirty deals, who they are shagging and what money they get for lobbying.
Am I alone in thinking we sometimes need this kind of thing? some proper investigative journos who will dig into things rather than just print press releases or Expected news fed to them by government spin doctors???
Food for thought or am I going mental gain?
The p[oliticians have a down on the press as they are often the target. NI though have bought and paid for the Tories in the same way and they did with New labour so stories are not that firmly followed it would appear. I might be wrong of course.Yes belive me I am well up for a witch hunt if the allegations prove true over this poor girl however
Politicians have been going bonkers over this today on Radio 4. Yes thats right lieing scheeming cretins are up on their high horses. But they have a vested interest in tieing newpapers hands don't they?
They don't want their dirty little secrets getting out do they? their dirty deals, who they are shagging and what money they get for lobbying.
Am I alone in thinking we sometimes need this kind of thing? some proper investigative journos who will dig into things rather than just print press releases or Expected news fed to them by government spin doctors???
Food for thought or am I going mental gain?
One thing that is really worrying though is that this might spill over into real journalism. There used to be a bloke who did something in motor racing, name of mosley, and he tried to get the judges to pass a law to restrict the freedom of the press. There is little doubt that the great and the good would like that sort of thing.
Any excuse to pass laws on what journos can and cannot do will have, the politicians will say, the support of the populace after the phone hacking scandal of the NotW.
I'm not that interested in the sex lives of the politicians as long as it doesn't compromise their ability to do their job. We didn't hear much about it in the days of MacMillan, Boothy, Heath and such but it still went on. There were a spate of 'diaries' published later which spilled the beans on a lot of it and I have to say it was interesting but that was about it. Brown (the other one) was known to be permanently drunk but I didn't know he propositioned leaders of other countries. It would appear that they were all at it. I feel certain that harold Wilson wasn't though.
Does anyone know which PM made his secretary a dame?
Putting -gate after most (but not this one - hackinggate anyone?) scandals belies the fact that Watergate would not happen nowdays in the way it did. The politicans have seen to that.
I know someone who gave a journo some info and the chap said he needed to get an independent verification. He gave him a name and the jorno said that that had rendered the person not independent. So some take it very seriously. My son's a journo (TV) and when I started editing a magazine he gave me two well-thumbed books, one on the legal side of what you can and can't print, and the other was on the moral side. The second was bigger.
There are dregs in every profession. I think anyone who saw the Panorama expose on care homes would have been impressed by the standard of journalism.
And then there's the likes of Rebecca Wade and her minions. They put a free press in danger.
rover 623gsi said:
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-gree...
The statement by Rebekah Brooks on phone hacking is fascinating reading and deserves to be read closely.
The statement has all the hallmarks of being written by lawyers. In fact being poured over by lawyers. It is a press release, nothing more.The statement by Rebekah Brooks on phone hacking is fascinating reading and deserves to be read closely.
Given the seriouslness of the accusations against the NotW at a time when she was at the helm then anything more would be a big risk. There are some things in there which anyone with a less than generous nature might suggest could lead people to wrong conclusions. She's shot her mouth off in the past, and it might well come back to bite her. So only saying things via lawyer-checked press releases seems a reasonable ploy.
I can't see that the statement shows whether she is quaking, hopeful or confident. Mind you, if I was her I'd be a wee bit nervous at the moment. If I remember rightly, in Fierce Ceatures he didn't come over as very loyal.
One thing that she must not do now is be caught out in a lie, or even half-truth. She's treading on glass. The NotW might not be the jewel in the NI crown but if it folds because of this then Murdoch won't be pleased. He's boasting that he has 100,000 subscribers to the Times on-line. I'm one of them and as soon as the price goes up from £1 per week I'm off. It is the clunkiest website I've ever come across. It is dreadful. And my elder daughter has just cancelled her Sky package and is going Freeview for a trial period.
Cameron, I would suggest, must now keep a distance from NI, that's if he has any sense. BSB takover of Sky News is very close but Friday is not the best day to announce it.
I dislike the NotW intensely and I really hope it folds.
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