Major explosion/bomb in Oslo
Discussion
Apache said:
Jandywa said:
TallbutBuxomly said:
Jandywa said:
How can anybody who murders 77 people be ruled as sane?
Easily. Was Genghis Khan insane? What about Caesar? so on so forth. Also try remember one persons innocent is another persons guilty.
ts they are indeed, but i can't remember the last time either of them got tooled up, walked onto an island full of innocent people and went round shooting as many as possible. Jandywa said:
How can anybody who murders 77 people be ruled as sane?
On what grounds would you judge him insane. He was fully aware of what he was doing, he planned the whole thing for, in his mind justifiable reason, that he was more then capable of explaining. He did not do it as some drug fuelled bender, there were no voices in his head telling him to do it, he was not searching for some magic pixie. Nothing about what he did or his behaviour would suggest that he was suffering some sort of mental condition that meant he was not fully aware of his actions. The number of people he killed is not enough of a reason to suggest other wise.Personally I am glad he'll rot in a cell for the rest of his life, (As I suspect he'll never be considered safe for release)
....oh wait your serious......KrazyIvan said:
On what grounds would you judge him insane. He was fully aware of what he was doing, he planned the whole thing for, in his mind justifiable reason, that he was more then capable of explaining. He did not do it as some drug fuelled bender, there were no voices in his head telling him to do it, he was not searching for some magic pixie. Nothing about what he did or his behaviour would suggest that he was suffering some sort of mental condition that meant he was not fully aware of his actions. The number of people he killed is not enough of a reason to suggest other wise.
Personally I am glad he'll rot in a cell for the rest of his life, (As I suspect he'll never be considered safe for release)
id call him insane purely for the reason that he thought killing a large number of people would somehow help his cause? which sounds like the cause of a fPersonally I am glad he'll rot in a cell for the rest of his life, (As I suspect he'll never be considered safe for release)
king mad man to start with. I understand that him saying he planned it, was aware of what he was doing can, and has done in this case, prove he is sane but sane people dont shoot 77 people. I respectfully disagree.
What he did was clever. Had he gone into a Mosque during Friday prayers and dropped 77 people it would have had a remarkably different effect - it would have been seen as simple hate crime, outrage from everyone especially the muslims but it would have been consigned to the history books as a one off act by a looney.
What he has done has made the political classes and the people of Norway have a very good hard look at what is going on in their country due to the effects of liberalism.
..and the cause of a mad man?
Many western countries have a significant number of people wondering where multiculturism and liberalisation is taking them. In the UK there is an ongoing arguments regarding sharia law. Tip of the iceberg for real concern or just the ramblings of nutters?
What he did was clever. Had he gone into a Mosque during Friday prayers and dropped 77 people it would have had a remarkably different effect - it would have been seen as simple hate crime, outrage from everyone especially the muslims but it would have been consigned to the history books as a one off act by a looney.
What he has done has made the political classes and the people of Norway have a very good hard look at what is going on in their country due to the effects of liberalism.
..and the cause of a mad man?
Many western countries have a significant number of people wondering where multiculturism and liberalisation is taking them. In the UK there is an ongoing arguments regarding sharia law. Tip of the iceberg for real concern or just the ramblings of nutters?
Edited by Asterix on Friday 24th August 12:24
Jandywa said:
id call him insane purely for the reason that he thought killing a large number of people would somehow help his cause? which sounds like the cause of a fking mad man to start with. I understand that him saying he planned it, was aware of what he was doing can, and has done in this case, prove he is sane but sane people dont shoot 77 people.
It seems you are rallying against this ruling because you cannot square in your own head that a person can kill dozens of people and be sane. As such it basically sounds like you're saying "I'd be happier if he was labelled insane, regardless of whether or not he actually is".king mad man to start with. I understand that him saying he planned it, was aware of what he was doing can, and has done in this case, prove he is sane but sane people dont shoot 77 people. Jandywa said:
id call him insane purely for the reason that he thought killing a large number of people would somehow help his cause? which sounds like the cause of a fking mad man to start with. I understand that him saying he planned it, was aware of what he was doing can, and has done in this case, prove he is sane but sane people dont shoot 77 people.
He didn't shoot random people, he shot the likely future leadership of the Norwegian Labour Party which might indeed further his cause...king mad man to start with. I understand that him saying he planned it, was aware of what he was doing can, and has done in this case, prove he is sane but sane people dont shoot 77 people. Jandywa said:
And that makes it alright for britvic to shoot 77 people does it?
suicide bombers do it all the time, they're not insane, merely brainwashed, remember those experiments the Yanks did in the 60s where they got members of the public to operate a button that they were told would electrocute someone as part of an experiment...despite the screams they were coerced into zapping them with mains voltage (not in reality but they didn't know that)People are scary f
kers and it doesn't take much for them to burn a bride, stone a woman, stamp on someones head, drive a car at someone, become a killing mob etcI understand your point Asterix. You have opened my eyes somewhat, just my undertsanding of it was that someone is labelled as 'insane' due to their behaviour and being a risk/danger to others through their actions. i dont see how him planning his actions, would make them any less sane.
Oh, I also agree with you - his actions are extreme to say the least but, as an example, can they be justified as he knew that writing stern emails and standing outside government buildings with a placard was never going to work?
All he's done is just take it to the Nth degree, a Gordian knot approach if you will, and just gone for the jugular.
Of course I don't condone anything he did but I have to look at the reasoning and to many, the simple reasoning is not without merit.
All he's done is just take it to the Nth degree, a Gordian knot approach if you will, and just gone for the jugular.
Of course I don't condone anything he did but I have to look at the reasoning and to many, the simple reasoning is not without merit.
Apache said:
Jandywa said:
TallbutBuxomly said:
Jandywa said:
How can anybody who murders 77 people be ruled as sane?
Easily. Was Genghis Khan insane? What about Caesar? so on so forth. Also try remember one persons innocent is another persons guilty.Asterix said:
I respectfully disagree.
What he did was clever. Had he gone into a Mosque during Friday prayers and dropped 77 people it would have had a remarkably different effect - it would have been seen as simple hate crime, outrage from everyone especially the muslims but it would have been consigned to the history books as a one off act by a looney.
What he has done has made the political classes and the people of Norway have a very good hard look at what is going on in their country due to the effects of liberalism.
..and the cause of a mad man?
Many western countries have a significant number of people wondering where multiculturism and liberalisation is taking them. In the UK there is an ongoing arguments regarding sharia law. Tip of the iceberg for real concern or just the ramblings of nutters?
Exactly.What he did was clever. Had he gone into a Mosque during Friday prayers and dropped 77 people it would have had a remarkably different effect - it would have been seen as simple hate crime, outrage from everyone especially the muslims but it would have been consigned to the history books as a one off act by a looney.
What he has done has made the political classes and the people of Norway have a very good hard look at what is going on in their country due to the effects of liberalism.
..and the cause of a mad man?
Many western countries have a significant number of people wondering where multiculturism and liberalisation is taking them. In the UK there is an ongoing arguments regarding sharia law. Tip of the iceberg for real concern or just the ramblings of nutters?
Edited by Asterix on Friday 24th August 12:24
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff