Tube drivers paid extra £1800 not to strike during Olympics

[egor110]

Dragoco said:

I find this helps a great deal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHu_cfy33bY

TFL = Takes Far Longer.

Ironic that the video you posted is by a group of doctors who are also planning on strike action.

[egor110]

iphonedyou said:

I start work for TfL in September.

It will be a sad day, handing in my PH membership.

Why? You know you don't have to join a trade union.

[sirtyro]

They need to get it while they can. Automation is on the way....at least then they can't hold the City to ransom. They are shooting themselves in the foot.

[turbobloke]

Whose duty other than an employee's is it to become and remain employable?

The alternative is easy of course i.e. be enterprising in some way, set up in business, and succeed.

Both of the above require effort, investment in terms of time and varying amounts of folding, also measured risk taking, how much easier is it to hold a metaphorical gun to people's heads merely in the hope of a quick fix.

Like other forms of can kicking it won't solve anything long-term.

[br d]

wolves_wanderer said:

Because feudalism reigns supreme here. Our betters are allowed and encouraged to charge what the market will stand or vote each other payrises with the collective blessings of PH raining down and garlands in the street. God forbid however, if a prole tries to do the same.

"The law locks up the man or woman
Who steals the goose from off the common
But leaves the greater villain loose
Who steals the common from off the goose."

Bob Crow still needs fisting with a spikey glove though.

[turbobloke]

London tube and bus services are tightly regulated (are they not also monopolies?) and far removed from a free market. The comparison fails.

From my reading of PH over the years, commentary on these types of situation is nowhere near as simplistic as portrayed by the toff-prole assertion.

[iphonedyou]

egor110 said:

Why? You know you don't have to join a trade union.

Indeed I do, sir

[crankedup]

iphonedyou said:

egor110 said:

Why? You know you don't have to join a trade union.

Indeed I do, sir

If you are not going to hold a card doe's this mean you refuse benefits negotiated by the Union?

[XCP]

turbobloke said:

London tube and bus services are tightly regulated (are they not also monopolies?) and far removed from a free market. The comparison fails.

From my reading of PH over the years, commentary on these types of situation is nowhere near as simplistic as portrayed by the toff-prole assertion.

I think generally there is support for selling ones skills, at the best price possible.
Unless you are a bus driver during the Olympics perhaps?

[Du1point8]

XCP said:

turbobloke said:

London tube and bus services are tightly regulated (are they not also monopolies?) and far removed from a free market. The comparison fails.

From my reading of PH over the years, commentary on these types of situation is nowhere near as simplistic as portrayed by the toff-prole assertion.

I think generally there is support for selling ones skills, at the best price possible.
Unless you are a bus driver during the Olympics perhaps?

Again you don't seem to understand the difference between selling ones skills and blackmail/extortion, why do you think blackmail/extortion is fine in business?

[XCP]

I don't see the difference with saying.
'If you want a sandwich whilst in the Olympic Park it will cost you £5. Anywhere else it would be £2.50, but what are you going to do about it?'

[turbobloke]

XCP said:

I don't see the difference with saying.
'If you want a sandwich whilst in the Olympic Park it will cost you £5. Anywhere else it would be £2.50, but what are you going to do about it?'

Buy one before I get there or take my own sandwich.

Can I also take my car and park outside?

[whoami]

XCP said:

I don't see the difference with saying.
'If you want a sandwich whilst in the Olympic Park it will cost you £5. Anywhere else it would be £2.50, but what are you going to do about it?'

There is a fundamental difference.

[crankedup]

turbobloke said:

XCP said:

I don't see the difference with saying.
'If you want a sandwich whilst in the Olympic Park it will cost you £5. Anywhere else it would be £2.50, but what are you going to do about it?'

Buy one before I get there or take my own sandwich.

Can I also take my car and park outside?

Yup, if your off to watch the 100m sprint you could have an early lunch (9.00am) and then go without for the remainder of the day. Nobody will be permitted to enter the stadiums with any pre-packed lunches or drinks. Security risks apparently, so cough up top money if you want to eat or drink during the day. Charging inflated prices by the food bars is just plain profiteering and just as wrong as the transport drivers demanding bonus payments. The event is an opportunity to rake in some extra cash for businesses and public service employees alike.

[Du1point8]

crankedup said:

turbobloke said:

XCP said:

I don't see the difference with saying.
'If you want a sandwich whilst in the Olympic Park it will cost you £5. Anywhere else it would be £2.50, but what are you going to do about it?'

Buy one before I get there or take my own sandwich.

Can I also take my car and park outside?

Yup, if your off to watch the 100m sprint you could have an early lunch (9.00am) and then go without for the remainder of the day. Nobody will be permitted to enter the stadiums with any pre-packed lunches or drinks. Security risks apparently, so cough up top money if you want to eat or drink during the day. Charging inflated prices by the food bars is just plain profiteering and just as wrong as the transport drivers demanding bonus payments. The event is an opportunity to rake in some extra cash for businesses and public service employees alike.

so you agree its fine to use blackmail to get a bit extra cash like they have done then?

[turbobloke]

crankedup said:

turbobloke said:

XCP said:

I don't see the difference with saying.
'If you want a sandwich whilst in the Olympic Park it will cost you £5. Anywhere else it would be £2.50, but what are you going to do about it?'

Buy one before I get there or take my own sandwich.

Can I also take my car and park outside?

Yup, if your off to watch the 100m sprint you could have an early lunch (9.00am) and then go without for the remainder of the day. Nobody will be permitted to enter the stadiums with any pre-packed lunches or drinks. Security risks apparently, so cough up top money if you want to eat or drink during the day. Charging inflated prices by the food bars is just plain profiteering and just as wrong as the transport drivers demanding bonus payments. The event is an opportunity to rake in some extra cash for businesses and public service employees alike.

Some of Mrs TB's sandwiches are hot stuff, though not explosive...but good point. After eating prior to arrival you'd have to settle for a 100ml container with your vichyssoise liquid lunch. Rather than pay through the nose for expensive carp offered as Hobson's choice, I'd do it.

Driving and parking outside or nearby is a also a no-no (unless you're in one of the limos sailing along Zil lanes) enhancing the ransom opportunism that has nothing to do with markets. Limited regulation with open competition and a degree of choice is one thing, tightly regulated services with monopoly conditions in a control freak arena is another.

Demands for a bonus to be paid by the public simply for somebody turning up and doing a job are inexcusable but unsurprising in terms of London and public transport.

[iphonedyou]

crankedup said:

If you are not going to hold a card doe's this mean you refuse benefits negotiated by the Union?

I didn't say I wasn't going to hold a card.

[Laughingman21]

crankedup said:

turbobloke said:

XCP said:

I don't see the difference with saying.
'If you want a sandwich whilst in the Olympic Park it will cost you £5. Anywhere else it would be £2.50, but what are you going to do about it?'

Buy one before I get there or take my own sandwich.

Can I also take my car and park outside?

Yup, if your off to watch the 100m sprint you could have an early lunch (9.00am) and then go without for the remainder of the day. Nobody will be permitted to enter the stadiums with any pre-packed lunches or drinks. Security risks apparently, so cough up top money if you want to eat or drink during the day. Charging inflated prices by the food bars is just plain profiteering and just as wrong as the transport drivers demanding bonus payments. The event is an opportunity to rake in some extra cash for businesses and public service employees alike.

Charging inflated prices for the event is nothing like the tube drivers demanding more money.

The London Olympic Committee have gone to great time and expenses organising an event in which they’ve invested billions of pounds. As the organisers of the events, they have the right to put in rules for attending the event. If people don’t like them, they don’t have to show up. That’s the risk that they’re taking, but they’re obviously confident people will still turn up and pay those prices (which aren’t that outrageous for London!). If no-one pays up, they're both out of pocket and look very stupid, both of which I'm sure they're keen not to happen.

What the tube drivers are doing is blackmail. They’ve not invested anything into the Olympics and will be doing their normal day job, but they know that if they strike they’ll have a negative impact on the Olympics and hence GB’s worldwide reputation to stage major events. So instead they’ve tried to find the cash value of Great Britain's reputation and lined their pockets with it.

[Mario149]

Laughingman21 said:

So instead they’ve tried to find the cash value of Great Britain's reputation and lined their pockets with it.

^^Probably the best point so far in this thread

[London424]

turbobloke said:

crankedup said:

turbobloke said:

XCP said:

I don't see the difference with saying.
'If you want a sandwich whilst in the Olympic Park it will cost you £5. Anywhere else it would be £2.50, but what are you going to do about it?'

Buy one before I get there or take my own sandwich.

Can I also take my car and park outside?

Yup, if your off to watch the 100m sprint you could have an early lunch (9.00am) and then go without for the remainder of the day. Nobody will be permitted to enter the stadiums with any pre-packed lunches or drinks. Security risks apparently, so cough up top money if you want to eat or drink during the day. Charging inflated prices by the food bars is just plain profiteering and just as wrong as the transport drivers demanding bonus payments. The event is an opportunity to rake in some extra cash for businesses and public service employees alike.

Some of Mrs TB's sandwiches are hot stuff, though not explosive...but good point. After eating prior to arrival you'd have to settle for a 100ml container with your vichyssoise liquid lunch. Rather than pay through the nose for expensive carp offered as Hobson's choice, I'd do it.

Driving and parking outside or nearby is a also a no-no (unless you're in one of the limos sailing along Zil lanes) enhancing the ransom opportunism that has nothing to do with markets. Limited regulation with open competition and a degree of choice is one thing, tightly regulated services with monopoly conditions in a control freak arena is another.

Demands for a bonus to be paid by the public simply for somebody turning up and doing a job are inexcusable but unsurprising in terms of London and public transport.

I haven't read all of this so apologies if this has been asked and answered but why is anyone surprised that its costs more at the event than outside? It's like that if you go to any major event. The main difference I can see is the restrictions on bringing stuff in.

If memory serves almost all of the events are a couple of hours tops. You haven't bought a day ticket like at the cricket, so how long are you actually planning on being in this events for?