New teachers strike wtf

[Martin_M]

This may be the case in England but in Scotland, it doesn't matter how good you are. If you wish to remain the classroom, you will be paid the same as those less skilled than you. The Government did introduce a Chartered Teacher scheme which allowed you to work towards a Masters whilst earning DHT money as a class teacher. Unfortunately, the Government did away with it which has basically forced those of us wanting more money to go for promotion.

Edited by Martin_M on Friday 2nd May 20:30

[Mr Snap]

turbobloke said:

Mr Snap said:

turbobloke said:

Too much stuff to parse

On an even playing field, I'd accept your metrics but we seem to agree that you can't easily assess the scrote factor. But it's hugely important.

Hugely important for the scrote perhaps but not necessary as a factor in determining HT pay. What's important overall...too many things. That's part of the reason for suggesting those two metrics that are measurable and important.

Mr Snap said:

The difference that just one poorly handled scrote can make to the progress a form group, a year group or even a whole school is considerable.

Totally agree, but if a boggo school environment isn't suitable then the young person should be educated elsewhere e.g. in alternative provision settings.

Mr Snap said:

I don't see why I should have been paid less when I had an 'ology in scrotehandling, allowing others to benefit from my skills.

Are you speaking as an ex-HT? My metrics were clearly stated as applicable to HT pay not all teachers.

Mr Snap said:

Why should the teachers who have the luck to get kids who may have attained poorly in the past - maybe due to poor teaching - but who are willing to work and are amenable? Honestly, teaching them is a piece of piss.

Although as above I was referring to HTs, my criteria did take low prior attainment into account as the first measure related to what goes out of the school in comparison to what came in.

Mr Snap said:

You can do the french thing and move scrotes sideways at the first inklings of scrotiness, but that's not the english way. We like our teachers to be social workers and not driven solely by academic results (but we still want those academic results).

Alternative Provision, onwards and sideways.

Mr Snap said:

You don't get my vote until you solve the scrote factor and allow me to get paid for doing it well. There are a lot of scrotes. I love 'em dearly, but they're still scrotes.

As a teacher you may well get better remunerated in TBPRP but I was referring to HTs and whole-school responsibilities linked to whole-school performance.

Sorry, we were a bit at cross purposes. I was thinking teaching as a whole, heads being a partly in and partly out subset.

Can't disagree with most of what you say re heads - but is is a big job and they need a wide range of abilities. Few bring the whole package and it's often those of an administrative, rather than pedagogical, mind that get the prize. The last time I had a head teacher wind a class up, I told him he seemed to be having so much fun that I didn't want to interrupt and walked off

Scrotectomy isn't popular, especially with their parents. There's not many votes in it and it costs a lot. It won't happen; especially if the general public can be led to believe it's all the teachers fault and nothing to do with society or Mr Gove or Mr Blunkett or Mr Baker or Mr Clark or or or or.....

[turbobloke]

Mr Snap said:

turbobloke said:

Mr Snap said:

turbobloke said:

Too much stuff to parse

On an even playing field, I'd accept your metrics but we seem to agree that you can't easily assess the scrote factor. But it's hugely important.

Hugely important for the scrote perhaps but not necessary as a factor in determining HT pay. What's important overall...too many things. That's part of the reason for suggesting those two metrics that are measurable and important.

Mr Snap said:

The difference that just one poorly handled scrote can make to the progress a form group, a year group or even a whole school is considerable.

Totally agree, but if a boggo school environment isn't suitable then the young person should be educated elsewhere e.g. in alternative provision settings.

Mr Snap said:

I don't see why I should have been paid less when I had an 'ology in scrotehandling, allowing others to benefit from my skills.

Are you speaking as an ex-HT? My metrics were clearly stated as applicable to HT pay not all teachers.

Mr Snap said:

Why should the teachers who have the luck to get kids who may have attained poorly in the past - maybe due to poor teaching - but who are willing to work and are amenable? Honestly, teaching them is a piece of piss.

Although as above I was referring to HTs, my criteria did take low prior attainment into account as the first measure related to what goes out of the school in comparison to what came in.

Mr Snap said:

You can do the french thing and move scrotes sideways at the first inklings of scrotiness, but that's not the english way. We like our teachers to be social workers and not driven solely by academic results (but we still want those academic results).

Alternative Provision, onwards and sideways.

Mr Snap said:

You don't get my vote until you solve the scrote factor and allow me to get paid for doing it well. There are a lot of scrotes. I love 'em dearly, but they're still scrotes.

As a teacher you may well get better remunerated in TBPRP but I was referring to HTs and whole-school responsibilities linked to whole-school performance.

Sorry, we were a bit at cross purposes. I was thinking teaching as a whole, heads being a partly in and partly out subset.

Can't disagree with most of what you say re heads - but is is a big job and they need a wide range of abilities. Few bring the whole package and it's often those of an administrative, rather than pedagogical, mind that get the prize. The last time I had a head teacher wind a class up, I told him he seemed to be having so much fun that I didn't want to interrupt and walked off

Worth a bonus in my book, collect from PH HQ or if they object, from Mr Gove.

Mr Snap said:

Scrotectomy

Like the sound of that.

Coming soon to PGCE and SCITT programmes nationwide, royalties to Mr Snap.