New teachers strike wtf

[turbobloke]

Fittster said:

DSM2 said:

Deva Link said:

sidicks said:

How is the state pension in France funded?

I have no idea.

The first true thing you have posted.

And you clearly know nothing about the French or you'd know that the majority of them are equally tired of their even more bloated public sector than ours that has also left them near enough bankrupt.

If your statement was correct why is Sarkozy doing so badly in the polls? The French electorate don't seem that keen on their right of centre president.

Maybe if the alternative in those opinion polls was 'public sector' rather than Ségolène Royal et al then Mr Bruni might do better.

Also because a leader's popularity extends across issues far wider than a single topic on a PH thread. French banks have just been downgraded and it'll take a few more Gauloises and maybe some burnt sheep before the gallic shrugs return. Etc.

[driverrob]

RVVUNM said:

Oh, and don't forget the twelve weeks holiday a year, in service days (GRRRRRR) and short working week, the leftie wkers, Sorry but I cannot stand the tts.

Did all that ignorant venom come naturally or did you have to work on it?

Go talk to someone who's married to a teacher.

[fandango_c]

Deva Link said:

Massive big picture, but are they? Ultimately the money to fund them comes from the public.

What's gone on here is that the public have driven the prices down of everything they buy so companies can't afford to fund pensions.

No, final salary pension schemes have become more exepensive due to improved mortality expectations, lower interest rates and expected investment returns getting worse. Companies have also realised how risky final salary schemes are to them.

Nothing to do with profitability.

[OllieC]

driverrob said:

RVVUNM said:

Oh, and don't forget the twelve weeks holiday a year, in service days (GRRRRRR) and short working week, the leftie wkers, Sorry but I cannot stand the tts.

Did all that ignorant venom come naturally or did you have to work on it?

Go talk to someone who's married to a teacher.

I'm with RVVUMN on this one, the teachers that I know have not got a clue about the real world.

[Deva Link]

DSM2 said:

The first true thing you have posted.

And you clearly know nothing about the French or you'd know that the majority of them are equally tired of their even more bloated public sector than ours that has also left them near enough bankrupt.

I employ people in France so I do in fact know exactly how things work over there.

[pilchardthecat]

Not getting paid for their day off are they?

Can I have a one-off tax rebate?

[Ozzie Osmond]

sidicks said:

Current contributions being paid in > current benefits being paid out is NOT an appropriate or sensible definition of 'surplus' for a pension fund!

Indeed. More or less comparable with "I can just about afford the minimum monthly payment on my credit card so obviously I haven't borrowed too much".

[bobbylondonuk]

private sector taxes+international borrowing = govt spending budget.


I as a pvt sector worker cannot afford to pay more taxes and dont want the country to get into more debt. Govt sector can work out a solution with the available cash. Striking is not going to change my mind.

Suck it up just like the rest of us.

[MiniMan64]

OllieC said:

driverrob said:

RVVUNM said:

Oh, and don't forget the twelve weeks holiday a year, in service days (GRRRRRR) and short working week, the leftie wkers, Sorry but I cannot stand the tts.

Did all that ignorant venom come naturally or did you have to work on it?

Go talk to someone who's married to a teacher.

I'm with RVVUMN on this one, the teachers that I know have not got a clue about the real world.

What a narrow minded view, clearly I know nothing about the real world as a teacher.

[Laurel Green]

Talking about this on Question Time right now.

[Y282]

We arent all going to strike and we dont all earn forty thousand. Quite a lot uf us put in a far greater number of unpaid hours than anyone outside the profession realises and will continue to do so just so we can keep the jobs we've got.

We're not all whiney selfish c**ts, please don't tar us with the same brush just because a right of centre stance is the new fking black.

[bobbylondonuk]

Y282 said:

We arent all going to strike and we dont all earn forty thousand. Quite a lot uf us put in a far greater number of unpaid hours than anyone outside the profession realises and will continue to do so just so we can keep the jobs we've got.

We're not all whiney selfish c**ts, please don't tar us with the same brush just because a right of centre stance is the new fking black.

you a govt employee and I a pvt employee both face the same problems.....My point is that I cannot afford to pay more taxes to fund you and we both cannot afford to borrow more as citizens of the UK.

The labour govt raided both our pensions....created lots of govt jobs and raised taxes in the pvt sector to pay for it along with a gambling license to the bankers as long as they kept paying high corporation taxes. Not to mention maxing out our credit.

Dont you now see how it boils down to the numbers of what we can afford to spend as a country? Unfortunately I am the tax generator and you are the govt cost. I cannot generate enough to spend on you as you want. How do you propose to resolve it?

[Y282]

bobbylondonuk said:

Y282 said:

We arent all going to strike and we dont all earn forty thousand. Quite a lot uf us put in a far greater number of unpaid hours than anyone outside the profession realises and will continue to do so just so we can keep the jobs we've got.

We're not all whiney selfish c**ts, please don't tar us with the same brush just because a right of centre stance is the new fking black.

you a govt employee and I a pvt employee both face the same problems.....My point is that I cannot afford to pay more taxes to fund you and we both cannot afford to borrow more as citizens of the UK.

The labour govt raided both our pensions....created lots of govt jobs and raised taxes in the pvt sector to pay for it along with a gambling license to the bankers as long as they kept paying high corporation taxes. Not to mention maxing out our credit.

Dont you now see how it boils down to the numbers of what we can afford to spend as a country? Unfortunately I am the tax generator and you are the govt cost. I cannot generate enough to spend on you as you want. How do you propose to resolve it?

I dont teach economics, mate. I turn up, do a job im paid to do and go home again, just like you do.

[bobbylondonuk]

Y282 said:

bobbylondonuk said:

Y282 said:

We arent all going to strike and we dont all earn forty thousand. Quite a lot uf us put in a far greater number of unpaid hours than anyone outside the profession realises and will continue to do so just so we can keep the jobs we've got.

We're not all whiney selfish c**ts, please don't tar us with the same brush just because a right of centre stance is the new fking black.

you a govt employee and I a pvt employee both face the same problems.....My point is that I cannot afford to pay more taxes to fund you and we both cannot afford to borrow more as citizens of the UK.

The labour govt raided both our pensions....created lots of govt jobs and raised taxes in the pvt sector to pay for it along with a gambling license to the bankers as long as they kept paying high corporation taxes. Not to mention maxing out our credit.

Dont you now see how it boils down to the numbers of what we can afford to spend as a country? Unfortunately I am the tax generator and you are the govt cost. I cannot generate enough to spend on you as you want. How do you propose to resolve it?

I dont teach economics, mate. I turn up, do a job im paid to do and go home again, just like you do.

Point taken....with no offence intended...Lesson 1 in macro economics

private sector taxes+international borrowing = govt spending budget

Have a think about how we can all work around in the above equation......its not simply anti govt workers agenda here...we are genuinely broke mate!

[Deva Link]

bobbylondonuk said:

I as a pvt sector worker cannot afford to pay more taxes and dont want the country to get into more debt. Govt sector can work out a solution with the available cash. Striking is not going to change my mind.

Suck it up just like the rest of us.

The solution is to make lots of public sector workers redundant. I don't know why the numbers leaving isn't bigger news - I think the reason is that quite a lot of public servants can't wait to leave their jobs.

My wife's civil service department asked for 400 volunteers out of 2000 in the department and 800 applied. And there wasn't a massive pay-off on offer, especially for people who hadn't been there for many years. It's obviously not such a great job after all.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/8764101/Pu...

[Y282]

bobbylondonuk said:

Y282 said:

bobbylondonuk said:

Y282 said:

We arent all going to strike and we dont all earn forty thousand. Quite a lot uf us put in a far greater number of unpaid hours than anyone outside the profession realises and will continue to do so just so we can keep the jobs we've got.

We're not all whiney selfish c**ts, please don't tar us with the same brush just because a right of centre stance is the new fking black.

you a govt employee and I a pvt employee both face the same problems.....My point is that I cannot afford to pay more taxes to fund you and we both cannot afford to borrow more as citizens of the UK.

The labour govt raided both our pensions....created lots of govt jobs and raised taxes in the pvt sector to pay for it along with a gambling license to the bankers as long as they kept paying high corporation taxes. Not to mention maxing out our credit.

Dont you now see how it boils down to the numbers of what we can afford to spend as a country? Unfortunately I am the tax generator and you are the govt cost. I cannot generate enough to spend on you as you want. How do you propose to resolve it?

I dont teach economics, mate. I turn up, do a job im paid to do and go home again, just like you do.

Point taken....with no offence intended...Lesson 1 in macro economics

private sector taxes+international borrowing = govt spending budget

Have a think about how we can all work around in the above equation......its not simply anti govt workers agenda here...we are genuinely broke mate!

None taken

Think its worth pointing out there are often two types of person in teaching in my experience. Full on career academics and people who have worked in the real world as well. The attitudes of people in my faculty area who have actually done a hard days graft in their past is very different to the other lot, almost polarised in fact.

[fandango_c]

bobbylondonuk said:

Point taken....with no offence intended...Lesson 1 in macro economics

private sector taxes+international borrowing = govt spending budget

Have a think about how we can all work around in the above equation......its not simply anti govt workers agenda here...we are genuinely broke mate!

Should the government spending budget include domestic borrowing?

[bobbylondonuk]

fandango_c said:

Should the government spending budget include domestic borrowing?

If by domestic borrowing you mean personal debt...then the intrest and the spending of that debt goes into the profits of the pvt sector and ends up as taxes on profit and consumption.

I gave that equation as a very simple way to understand the flow of money in an economy for people who have no idea of how it works. We all must fundamentally understand that the govt sector is a cost that we as a country choose to bear. The funding is from the pvt sector and the shortfall is made up by national debt. Same as a household having a cost to function and shortfall made up by personal debt.

[fandango_c]

bobbylondonuk said:

If by domestic borrowing you mean personal debt...then the intrest and the spending of that debt goes into the profits of the pvt sector and ends up as taxes on profit and consumption.

No, I meant government debt.

[Deva Link]

bobbylondonuk said:

Have a think about how we can all work around in the above equation......its not simply anti govt workers agenda here...we are genuinely broke mate!

We get this "we are broke" comment all the time in these discussions.

We're not broke at all. The Governemt will spend £700BN this year. The issue is how the Government chooses to spend the money it has.

And public sector pensions are a tiny, tiny part of Government spending.