New teachers strike wtf
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SpeedMattersNot said:
heppers75 said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
Agreed, our next door neighbour sent his 'precious one' to a private school in Woburn for £9k per year for a 5year old lol. He got angry when the school told him his son couldn't spell his own name...he felt that was the schools job LOL! Of course...what else was he paying them for?
Send a good kid to a public school, they won't struggle. Send a crap (poorly parented) kid to either school, they'll struggle.
I do have to say your whole contempt of those who opt for private education is rather transparent in the above with your quoted derogatory phrase and lol's. Also teaching a child to spell is pretty much one of those things that is the schools job IMO. If he was complaining to the school his son was badly behaved and won't eat with a knife and fork or some other such social skill as opposed to clearly an educational one I could see your point, but as this is an expected educational result I am not sure what point you are making. Send a good kid to a public school, they won't struggle. Send a crap (poorly parented) kid to either school, they'll struggle.
Also I am not sure how from the above anyone can infer the child was badly parented.
In fact that whole post is very much indicative of what the real issue is that certain folks with certain political and social perspectives have with private education and it really is utterly sod all to do with education at all!
Sadly, it's something many kids can do before they're 5 years old (because their parents taught them to) I'm sorry you believe this is entirely the job of the schools.
Also it would depend at which point your neighbor was given this feedback if it is was day one or at his Easter parents evening. If it was day one then the school in question clearly needs to join up its admissions policy and testing with feedback given to parents. If it was after several months in reception then I would say he had some justification for his reaction.
heppers75 said:
There is a couple at our sons school who had their child slightly later in life and with whom we have become good friends who make no bones about the fact they sold a very nice 5 bedroomed house with land etc and are living in a 2 bed terrace, still in a nice village location but they used the equity from that sale to invest in a fund to support their daughters education.
I'm not suggesting they were daft to do that, but it does make me wonder what they would say if they were asked why they did that. i.e. What ultimately is the purpose of their child's education? I mean, I'm not particularly materialist, but many people would say that a good education helps get you a good job and good job is usually a well paid job which gets you a nice house ........ but they sold their nice house. Anyway, I'd better get off to bed. 
Randy Winkman said:
heppers75 said:
There is a couple at our sons school who had their child slightly later in life and with whom we have become good friends who make no bones about the fact they sold a very nice 5 bedroomed house with land etc and are living in a 2 bed terrace, still in a nice village location but they used the equity from that sale to invest in a fund to support their daughters education.
I'm not suggesting they were daft to do that, but it does make me wonder what they would say if they were asked why they did that. i.e. What ultimately is the purpose of their child's education? I mean, I'm not particularly materialist, but many people would say that a good education helps get you a good job and good job is usually a well paid job which gets you a nice house ........ but they sold their nice house. Anyway, I'd better get off to bed. I only ask as I think I can say with a degree of confidence that all of my friends who are would not have to ask that question as you would make within reason any sacrifice to ensure your child has the very best opportunities in life you can give them.
heppers75 said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
heppers75 said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
Agreed, our next door neighbour sent his 'precious one' to a private school in Woburn for £9k per year for a 5year old lol. He got angry when the school told him his son couldn't spell his own name...he felt that was the schools job LOL! Of course...what else was he paying them for?
Send a good kid to a public school, they won't struggle. Send a crap (poorly parented) kid to either school, they'll struggle.
I do have to say your whole contempt of those who opt for private education is rather transparent in the above with your quoted derogatory phrase and lol's. Also teaching a child to spell is pretty much one of those things that is the schools job IMO. If he was complaining to the school his son was badly behaved and won't eat with a knife and fork or some other such social skill as opposed to clearly an educational one I could see your point, but as this is an expected educational result I am not sure what point you are making. Send a good kid to a public school, they won't struggle. Send a crap (poorly parented) kid to either school, they'll struggle.
Also I am not sure how from the above anyone can infer the child was badly parented.
In fact that whole post is very much indicative of what the real issue is that certain folks with certain political and social perspectives have with private education and it really is utterly sod all to do with education at all!
Sadly, it's something many kids can do before they're 5 years old (because their parents taught them to) I'm sorry you believe this is entirely the job of the schools.
Also it would depend at which point your neighbor was given this feedback if it is was day one or at his Easter parents evening. If it was day one then the school in question clearly needs to join up its admissions policy and testing with feedback given to parents. If it was after several months in reception then I would say he had some justification for his reaction.
I'd like to say you're deluded, I'm sorry, because you state you and your wife were there to get credit for the reason your son got accepted into the school he is in, but also that it's the schools responsibility to educate your son? That is a massive contradiction.
You're trying to take credit for your sons performance, but also defending your decision for spending vast sums of money on private education (albeit your son may well do the same, or even better at a state school).
heppers75 said:
Randy Winkman said:
heppers75 said:
There is a couple at our sons school who had their child slightly later in life and with whom we have become good friends who make no bones about the fact they sold a very nice 5 bedroomed house with land etc and are living in a 2 bed terrace, still in a nice village location but they used the equity from that sale to invest in a fund to support their daughters education.
I'm not suggesting they were daft to do that, but it does make me wonder what they would say if they were asked why they did that. i.e. What ultimately is the purpose of their child's education? I mean, I'm not particularly materialist, but many people would say that a good education helps get you a good job and good job is usually a well paid job which gets you a nice house ........ but they sold their nice house. Anyway, I'd better get off to bed. I only ask as I think I can say with a degree of confidence that all of my friends who are would not have to ask that question as you would make within reason any sacrifice to ensure your child has the very best opportunities in life you can give them.
SpeedMattersNot said:
heppers75 said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
heppers75 said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
Agreed, our next door neighbour sent his 'precious one' to a private school in Woburn for £9k per year for a 5year old lol. He got angry when the school told him his son couldn't spell his own name...he felt that was the schools job LOL! Of course...what else was he paying them for?
Send a good kid to a public school, they won't struggle. Send a crap (poorly parented) kid to either school, they'll struggle.
I do have to say your whole contempt of those who opt for private education is rather transparent in the above with your quoted derogatory phrase and lol's. Also teaching a child to spell is pretty much one of those things that is the schools job IMO. If he was complaining to the school his son was badly behaved and won't eat with a knife and fork or some other such social skill as opposed to clearly an educational one I could see your point, but as this is an expected educational result I am not sure what point you are making. Send a good kid to a public school, they won't struggle. Send a crap (poorly parented) kid to either school, they'll struggle.
Also I am not sure how from the above anyone can infer the child was badly parented.
In fact that whole post is very much indicative of what the real issue is that certain folks with certain political and social perspectives have with private education and it really is utterly sod all to do with education at all!
Sadly, it's something many kids can do before they're 5 years old (because their parents taught them to) I'm sorry you believe this is entirely the job of the schools.
Also it would depend at which point your neighbor was given this feedback if it is was day one or at his Easter parents evening. If it was day one then the school in question clearly needs to join up its admissions policy and testing with feedback given to parents. If it was after several months in reception then I would say he had some justification for his reaction.
I'd like to say you're deluded, I'm sorry, because you state you and your wife were there to get credit for the reason your son got accepted into the school he is in, but also that it's the schools responsibility to educate your son? That is a massive contradiction.
You're trying to take credit for your sons performance, but also defending your decision for spending vast sums of money on private education (albeit your son may well do the same, or even better at a state school).
Also insulting me really is a yet another clear indicator of your issues. It is I am afraid rather obvious from the tone of and barbs and jibes contained in your posts both here and in the Gove thread you have a massive chip on your shoulder. I can only surmise it comes from the fact your other half is a teacher (also possibly one of the ones striking so you see this as an attack on her) and has to put up with loads of crap and you work in an environment where you are very likely to encounter many people who spend twice your combined annual income on a "car for the wife" who doesn't have to work, only has to worry about her horses and will likely have children in private education.
Like I have said those that object to private education very often have reasons that are very far removed from an educational debate and are everything to do with a dissatisfaction in their life that others have options and opportunities they do not. Also you couple that with your physical altercation with your neighbor who is in your eyes in the aforementioned category your antithesis is very clearly not to do with education at all!
Edited by heppers75 on Wednesday 26th March 22:54
heppers75 said:
No I did not say we get the credit at all, I said "one of the reasons" not the only reason; the fact we put the effort in with him as well as the fact he is in a good school will be the reason he does well. It is called conjoined responsibility and effort. We know we want him to stand the best chance' we can give him in life so we take on the responsibility of doing all we can. Which includes spending what I am sure would seem to some 'vast sums' on education, however that is a relative not subjective thing. Frankly as I have said previously the fact his school is in any table I can find within the top 75 in the country and the secondary schools within our catchment area are by most standards terrible I am comfortable with our decisions and approach.
Also insulting me really is a yet another clear indicator of your issues. It is I am afraid rather obvious from the tone of and barbs and jibes contained in your posts both here and in the Gove thread you have a massive chip on your shoulder. I can only surmise it comes from the fact your other half is a teacher (also possibly one of the ones striking so you see this as an attack on her) and has to put up with loads of crap and you work in an environment where you are very likely to encounter many people who spend twice your combined annual income on a "car for the wife" who doesn't have to work, only has to worry about her horses and will likely have children in private education.
Like I have said those that object to private education very often have reasons that are very far removed from an educational debate and are everything to do with a dissatisfaction in their life that others have options and opportunities they do not. Also you couple that with your physical altercation with your neighbor who is in your eyes in the aforementioned category your antithesis is very clearly not to do with education at all!
What table is your sons school in? Curious to know! It's interesting you've already decided he will 'do well'. I like that positive attitude!Also insulting me really is a yet another clear indicator of your issues. It is I am afraid rather obvious from the tone of and barbs and jibes contained in your posts both here and in the Gove thread you have a massive chip on your shoulder. I can only surmise it comes from the fact your other half is a teacher (also possibly one of the ones striking so you see this as an attack on her) and has to put up with loads of crap and you work in an environment where you are very likely to encounter many people who spend twice your combined annual income on a "car for the wife" who doesn't have to work, only has to worry about her horses and will likely have children in private education.
Like I have said those that object to private education very often have reasons that are very far removed from an educational debate and are everything to do with a dissatisfaction in their life that others have options and opportunities they do not. Also you couple that with your physical altercation with your neighbor who is in your eyes in the aforementioned category your antithesis is very clearly not to do with education at all!
Edited by heppers75 on Wednesday 26th March 22:54
I'm sorry to disappoint, but no my wife was not one of the teachers who went on strike today (or ever in her 6 years as a teacher). And yes, anyone who spends £100k + on a car will likely to be spending double that of the average wage earner in the UK. But these people are in my family and my wife's family, so there's no reason to hold this option against them (albeit, perhaps buying a Land Rover should be
)Regarding my neighbour, the result was his son at age 5 couldn't spell his own name. He went without many pleasures in life (like being able to spend time with his son due to working hours - who knows, maybe he would've been able to teach his son how to spell his own name?) that I feel were detrimental to his entire families lives. I had said, if you had enough money not to disrupt your relationship with your children (family) then there should be no reason not to opt for private education. But there are people in my family and circle of friends who have dominated the public sector school zone.
That still, if I won the magic millions on the Euro's, I wouldn't send my kids to private school. Our neighbours lad wore Prada shoes to school...at 5...I'd rather he appreciate the greatness of nike air 180's, personally.
Mr Snap said:
heppers75 said:
Mr Snap said:
fblm said:
Mr Snap said:
...many parents who opt for private education drop out. Often when their "brilliant" offspring turn out to be not quite so brilliant and they can't achieve the grades required for the next stage.
Mr Snap said:
You weren't aware of the fact that public school alumni are measurably more intelligent than the rest of the population?
You clearly find it impossible to hide your sneering contempt for 'posh' kids but the fact that most public schools have entry exams, scholarships for the brightest poor kids and kick failing kids out means that you are probably right. Doh.As I've explained before, my partner is the head of a private school. To be broad brush regarding class, scholarships tend to go to, stretched, middle income people with a middle class background; i.e. people who know how to play the system. Poor working class parents, with highly intelligent children, don't apply.
Considering that it's the future of the country we're talking about, doesn't it make more sense to give the best - state funded - places in universities to the most intelligent students, rather than to those with the most expensive education? It's common knowledge that ex state school students tend to get better degrees at Oxbridge - that points towards a lot of your 'posh' kids being bed blockers. I don't mind about people paying for private education, what I object to is their using it to gain an unfair advantage in getting a, state funded, university place.
SpeedMattersNot said:
heppers75 said:
No I did not say we get the credit at all, I said "one of the reasons" not the only reason; the fact we put the effort in with him as well as the fact he is in a good school will be the reason he does well. It is called conjoined responsibility and effort. We know we want him to stand the best chance' we can give him in life so we take on the responsibility of doing all we can. Which includes spending what I am sure would seem to some 'vast sums' on education, however that is a relative not subjective thing. Frankly as I have said previously the fact his school is in any table I can find within the top 75 in the country and the secondary schools within our catchment area are by most standards terrible I am comfortable with our decisions and approach.
Also insulting me really is a yet another clear indicator of your issues. It is I am afraid rather obvious from the tone of and barbs and jibes contained in your posts both here and in the Gove thread you have a massive chip on your shoulder. I can only surmise it comes from the fact your other half is a teacher (also possibly one of the ones striking so you see this as an attack on her) and has to put up with loads of crap and you work in an environment where you are very likely to encounter many people who spend twice your combined annual income on a "car for the wife" who doesn't have to work, only has to worry about her horses and will likely have children in private education.
Like I have said those that object to private education very often have reasons that are very far removed from an educational debate and are everything to do with a dissatisfaction in their life that others have options and opportunities they do not. Also you couple that with your physical altercation with your neighbor who is in your eyes in the aforementioned category your antithesis is very clearly not to do with education at all!
What table is your sons school in? Curious to know! It's interesting you've already decided he will 'do well'. I like that positive attitude!Also insulting me really is a yet another clear indicator of your issues. It is I am afraid rather obvious from the tone of and barbs and jibes contained in your posts both here and in the Gove thread you have a massive chip on your shoulder. I can only surmise it comes from the fact your other half is a teacher (also possibly one of the ones striking so you see this as an attack on her) and has to put up with loads of crap and you work in an environment where you are very likely to encounter many people who spend twice your combined annual income on a "car for the wife" who doesn't have to work, only has to worry about her horses and will likely have children in private education.
Like I have said those that object to private education very often have reasons that are very far removed from an educational debate and are everything to do with a dissatisfaction in their life that others have options and opportunities they do not. Also you couple that with your physical altercation with your neighbor who is in your eyes in the aforementioned category your antithesis is very clearly not to do with education at all!
Edited by heppers75 on Wednesday 26th March 22:54
I'm sorry to disappoint, but no my wife was not one of the teachers who went on strike today (or ever in her 6 years as a teacher). And yes, anyone who spends £100k + on a car will likely to be spending double that of the average wage earner in the UK. But these people are in my family and my wife's family, so there's no reason to hold this option against them (albeit, perhaps buying a Land Rover should be
)Regarding my neighbour, the result was his son at age 5 couldn't spell his own name. He went without many pleasures in life (like being able to spend time with his son due to working hours - who knows, maybe he would've been able to teach his son how to spell his own name?) that I feel were detrimental to his entire families lives. I had said, if you had enough money not to disrupt your relationship with your children (family) then there should be no reason not to opt for private education. But there are people in my family and circle of friends who have dominated the public sector school zone.
That still, if I won the magic millions on the Euro's, I wouldn't send my kids to private school. Our neighbours lad wore Prada shoes to school...at 5...I'd rather he appreciate the greatness of nike air 180's, personally.
I am genuinely unsure as to where your antithesis comes from then as to consciously put your child into an environment that is not going to present them the very best opportunities in life to me is bizarre - do you actually have kids yet or is your statement hypothetical?
Also the Prada vs Nike statement is even more bizarre, that is like saying I am going to be elitist but only about the things I care about! As your statement there would be equally derided by someone who thinks that £2 trainers from Primark are just fine.
As it happens I am fortunate enough to be in the position where I work 10 minutes from home, I get to do school pick up and drop off on occasion - tomorrow happens to be one. I get to go to assemblies, concerts and performances. I get to go to Rugby with him and we spend quality time together at home, currently teaching him to play chess. I do travel for work half a dozen or so times a year but nothing too relentless.
I am also not privately educated myself nor is my ability to do these things inherited or won - so we are making our choices for him based on sound experience and from the standpoint of making dam certain he gets the best start in life we can give him. He doesn't have any Prada shoes, although perhaps embarrassingly enough I do!
My wife also has an RR Sport and doesn't work so I am probably loosing points there as well I can also say my confidence in the position he is in right now is based on what I see in the children of his age of friends and acquaintances that are in the schools he would otherwise have to choose from in the state system - approx 6-8 of them spring to mind who are either his school year or older (and he is a mid August child so young for his school year) and for the most part have parents of a similar outlook and view on life as myself and my wife but for reasons not always financial have chosen the state route for education. I can say for the most part his speech is more refined and articulate, his vocabulary is far greater, his thought processes and deduction on general life and social situations is more mature, he is clearly streets ahead in general literacy and numeracy terms and he is definitely more polite and considerate - to the point he even picked up the father of one of his friends for not letting a lady through the door before going through himself last weekend - thankfully he only said something to me and not out loud!
FYI none of that is overly proud or boastful parent syndrome, I pride myself on being a very logical and when necessary detached wood for the trees kind of bloke so I am being objective here. Also he is not universally in all areas 'ahead' for instance one of his friends has handwriting at 8 that can only be described as calligraphy! But I can certainly see by and large a significant difference which when you consider he is 7 now and some of these peers I am comparing to are already 9 is to me a very good indicator again of the validity of my choice. ETA I am not just comparing him either as his school friends are also very clearly the same level(s) above in the same areas and the one occasion this is always obvious is birthday parties as you can literally see the divide in behaviour and demeanour of the two groups, even though they mix and play together even someone who does not know who is who can tell. I even made a game of it with my brother at his last birthday as he is deciding if he can afford to privately educate his son and I said I tell you what you just observe the kids here and outside of the two or three I know you know you tell me which ones are products of the private system and which the state. He got two out of 21 wrong and one of those in September is starting at another local private school as his parents have decided he will be better served than where he is.
Edited by heppers75 on Thursday 27th March 00:51
SpeedMattersNot said:
heppers75 said:
Randy Winkman said:
heppers75 said:
There is a couple at our sons school who had their child slightly later in life and with whom we have become good friends who make no bones about the fact they sold a very nice 5 bedroomed house with land etc and are living in a 2 bed terrace, still in a nice village location but they used the equity from that sale to invest in a fund to support their daughters education.
I'm not suggesting they were daft to do that, but it does make me wonder what they would say if they were asked why they did that. i.e. What ultimately is the purpose of their child's education? I mean, I'm not particularly materialist, but many people would say that a good education helps get you a good job and good job is usually a well paid job which gets you a nice house ........ but they sold their nice house. Anyway, I'd better get off to bed. I only ask as I think I can say with a degree of confidence that all of my friends who are would not have to ask that question as you would make within reason any sacrifice to ensure your child has the very best opportunities in life you can give them.
My brother is a parent and (a bit like SpeedMattersNot) his/his partner's view is that their two childrens main preparation for life is not so much about the classroom/school. It's about being encouraged to meet people, go places, try things, screw them up and have another go (or a go at something else) and generally be open minded and tolerant. And they get that from their parents/family/friends.
Randy Winkman said:
Heppers - Fair point and no, I'm not a parent. Hence I tried to ask the question in a very open (almost silly) way.
My brother is a parent and (a bit like SpeedMattersNot) his/his partner's view is that their two childrens main preparation for life is not so much about the classroom/school. It's about being encouraged to meet people, go places, try things, screw them up and have another go (or a go at something else) and generally be open minded and tolerant. And they get that from their parents/family/friends.
There's a reason why the top jobs tend to be filled by people whose parents didn't think like that...My brother is a parent and (a bit like SpeedMattersNot) his/his partner's view is that their two childrens main preparation for life is not so much about the classroom/school. It's about being encouraged to meet people, go places, try things, screw them up and have another go (or a go at something else) and generally be open minded and tolerant. And they get that from their parents/family/friends.
RYH64E said:
Randy Winkman said:
Heppers - Fair point and no, I'm not a parent. Hence I tried to ask the question in a very open (almost silly) way.
My brother is a parent and (a bit like SpeedMattersNot) his/his partner's view is that their two childrens main preparation for life is not so much about the classroom/school. It's about being encouraged to meet people, go places, try things, screw them up and have another go (or a go at something else) and generally be open minded and tolerant. And they get that from their parents/family/friends.
There's a reason why the top jobs tend to be filled by people whose parents didn't think like that...My brother is a parent and (a bit like SpeedMattersNot) his/his partner's view is that their two childrens main preparation for life is not so much about the classroom/school. It's about being encouraged to meet people, go places, try things, screw them up and have another go (or a go at something else) and generally be open minded and tolerant. And they get that from their parents/family/friends.
Frankly that is as dumb as is it is insulting.
Speaking for our son he has a pretty even circle of friends who fall into different strata of life and mixes with them all. This is primarily due to the fact that most of my wifes and my long standing friends with children are not in a position to privately educate theirs and range from factory workers, admin folks, a hairdresser and two who live off benefits as some examples. Then he has his friends he has made at school some of whom are seriously wealthy and are "old money" some are not and have made huge sacrifices to send their children to the school, so we are pretty evenly spaced and thinking around the social circle of our school friends I would say that is also true of them, some not so much but many yes.
ETA - The issue for the most part for those that are detractors of private education are very frequently as I have said rather clearly nothing to do with education and are tantamount to a reverse snobbery or based on some preconceived notion about those people that that do and they don't want to mix with 'that sort'. Or I don't want my child to be spoilt or god knows how many other statements that really boil down to nothing more than a class/wealth/status/political/social agenda and not at all an educational one!
Edited by heppers75 on Thursday 27th March 10:05
heppers75 said:
Many can some can't, I am simply saying the ability to spell is an educational skill and therefore realistically and primarily within the remit of an educator, also I nowhere used the word entirely at all so please do not try and inject authority into your argument by attributing enhancements to mine I did not use! Personally my wife and I have always spent time with our son on many aspects of key life skills including reading, writing and math, it is one of the reasons we are aware he does as well as he does and he was accepted to the school he is in.
Also it would depend at which point your neighbor was given this feedback if it is was day one or at his Easter parents evening. If it was day one then the school in question clearly needs to join up its admissions policy and testing with feedback given to parents. If it was after several months in reception then I would say he had some justification for his reaction.
I have to disagree on that. The main educator in any childs life is their parents and those they spend the time with. Who teaches the child to walk, explore, speak, use their hands, draw and write? All these start before a child goes to school. Their experiences in life how to behave, etc. All from their parents. Also it would depend at which point your neighbor was given this feedback if it is was day one or at his Easter parents evening. If it was day one then the school in question clearly needs to join up its admissions policy and testing with feedback given to parents. If it was after several months in reception then I would say he had some justification for his reaction.
elster said:
heppers75 said:
Many can some can't, I am simply saying the ability to spell is an educational skill and therefore realistically and primarily within the remit of an educator, also I nowhere used the word entirely at all so please do not try and inject authority into your argument by attributing enhancements to mine I did not use! Personally my wife and I have always spent time with our son on many aspects of key life skills including reading, writing and math, it is one of the reasons we are aware he does as well as he does and he was accepted to the school he is in.
Also it would depend at which point your neighbor was given this feedback if it is was day one or at his Easter parents evening. If it was day one then the school in question clearly needs to join up its admissions policy and testing with feedback given to parents. If it was after several months in reception then I would say he had some justification for his reaction.
I have to disagree on that. The main educator in any childs life is their parents and those they spend the time with. Who teaches the child to walk, explore, speak, use their hands, draw and write? All these start before a child goes to school. Their experiences in life how to behave, etc. All from their parents. Also it would depend at which point your neighbor was given this feedback if it is was day one or at his Easter parents evening. If it was day one then the school in question clearly needs to join up its admissions policy and testing with feedback given to parents. If it was after several months in reception then I would say he had some justification for his reaction.
FYI I do not deny and have openly said that pre school I think a responsible parent should do what they can pre school - however our sons nursery had a similar tact to his school does today.
heppers75 said:
I am also not privately educated myself nor is my ability to do these things inherited or won - so we are making our choices for him based on sound experience and from the standpoint of making dam certain he gets the best start in life we can give him. He doesn't have any Prada shoes, although perhaps embarrassingly enough I do! My wife also has an RR Sport and doesn't work so I am probably loosing points there as well
I have to say Heppers, I'm finding the vehemence of your arguments for private school a little confusing given the above statement - you come across as very defensive of the choices you have made, yet clearly point out that without a private education you have become a very successful person. Are you claiming that your success was despite your education? If so, do you think you would be more successful if you had gone to private school? My wife also has an RR Sport and doesn't work so I am probably loosing points there as well mattmurdock said:
heppers75 said:
I am also not privately educated myself nor is my ability to do these things inherited or won - so we are making our choices for him based on sound experience and from the standpoint of making dam certain he gets the best start in life we can give him. He doesn't have any Prada shoes, although perhaps embarrassingly enough I do! My wife also has an RR Sport and doesn't work so I am probably loosing points there as well
I have to say Heppers, I'm finding the vehemence of your arguments for private school a little confusing given the above statement - you come across as very defensive of the choices you have made, yet clearly point out that without a private education you have become a very successful person. Are you claiming that your success was despite your education? If so, do you think you would be more successful if you had gone to private school? My wife also has an RR Sport and doesn't work so I am probably loosing points there as well ETA - I will also freely admit that I to an extent re-educated myself in my mid to late twenties around the use of language, speech and general demeanour and approach to life that today makes many people wrongly assume I was privately educated. Which I can never work is an insult or a compliment if I am honest as deep down I am still a rough arse from Mansfield!
Edited by heppers75 on Thursday 27th March 10:18
turbobloke said:
Egalitarian delusion is more widespread than that view suggests.
Some reading for those interested (pdf):
http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/533/1/equality_of_outcome...
On your first point (the "it isn't so" bit which for some reason didn't get copied over), I do think that's a big statement of yours to not be backed up with something.Some reading for those interested (pdf):
http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/533/1/equality_of_outcome...
On your second one though, I do admire you for (nearly always) having something sound to back up what you say.
My main observation on that though is that I do wish that academics would write things for "normal" people to read. I guess I've been a civil servant for too long, but I am used to seeing things divided up into sections with a clear instruction of where to go for various bits.
I'm sure it does support the point you made, but personally, I don't think that the lefties I know think like that. I guess I just hang around with people that have common sense.
Edited by Randy Winkman on Thursday 27th March 12:04
Randy Winkman said:
turbobloke said:
Egalitarian delusion is more widespread than that view suggests.
Some reading for those interested (pdf):
http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/533/1/equality_of_outcome...
On your first point (the "it isn't so" bit which for some reason didn't get copied over), I do think that's a big statement of yours to not be backed up with something.Some reading for those interested (pdf):
http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/533/1/equality_of_outcome...
On your second one though, I do admire you for (nearly always) having something sound to back up what you say.
My main observation on that though is that I do wish that academics would write things for "normal" people to read. I guess I've been a civil servant for too long, but I am used to seeing things divided up into sections with a clear instruction of where to go for various bits.
I'm sure it does support the point you made, but personally, I don't think that the lefties I know think like that. I guess I just hang around with people that have common sense.
Edited by Randy Winkman on Thursday 27th March 12:04
So, it's a grudging nearly always. You need one more edit to remove 'nearly'
Anyway - for having common sensical lefties as friends, lucky you!
Given that there are many lefties of other types, the point remains that egalitarian delusion is widespread.
Frankly any ab initio proof of the bleedin' obvious is o.t.t.
Randy Winkman said:
It's about being encouraged to meet people, go places, try things, screw them up and have another go (or a go at something else) and generally be open minded and tolerant. And they get that from their parents/family/friends.
Obviously none of that is allowed if you go to a private school.fblm said:
Randy Winkman said:
It's about being encouraged to meet people, go places, try things, screw them up and have another go (or a go at something else) and generally be open minded and tolerant. And they get that from their parents/family/friends.
Obviously none of that is allowed if you go to a private school.
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