Mexican Drugs Gangsters Do Not Mess About...
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sinizter said:
Fittster said:
Why shouldn't an adult be free to control what the choose to do with their own body? You want the state to control what we ingest, what about what we think? At some point people must have personal liberty.
Why should the state bear the cost to fix what the above mentioned free adult has done to their own body ?Make drugs legal, untaxed and no cover for overdoses on the NHS, and we will be sorted - otherwise, it will just be another epic fail.
Back on topic, how about being pushed down a mineshaft to land on 200 other dead people, and then dying over a period of several days of dehydration whilst up to your neck in rotting corpses....
FFS, what a way to go.
http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE657...
http://www.chron.com/news/nation-world/article/Gan...
FFS, what a way to go.
http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE657...
http://www.chron.com/news/nation-world/article/Gan...
Edited by Soovy on Thursday 22 September 15:00
Fittster said:
sinizter said:
Fittster said:
Why shouldn't an adult be free to control what the choose to do with their own body? You want the state to control what we ingest, what about what we think? At some point people must have personal liberty.
Why should the state bear the cost to fix what the above mentioned free adult has done to their own body ?Make drugs legal, untaxed and no cover for overdoses on the NHS, and we will be sorted - otherwise, it will just be another epic fail.
But don't go crawling to the NHS after you chose what to shove in your body. Which again, unfortunately, most people who choose to to use drugs and mess up, will do.
sinizter said:
But don't go crawling to the NHS after you chose what to shove in your body. Which again, unfortunately, most people who choose to to use drugs and mess up, will do.
Can I go to the NHS after chips, cigs, booze? If I overdoes on prescription drugs can I go to the NHS? Basing phiolsophical / legal arguments on the rights of an individual to choose what to do with their own body/mind on 'Well it might cost the NHS X' points to the problem being with the NHS rather than any specific activity (which you may or may not agree with).
If the state didn't provide free health care people could then way up then potential costs of their decisions more accurately.
Where I live the drug transport business used to be controlled by the Colombians, until they were scared away. Those were the good old days of innocence.
The Mexicans have taken it to a new level.
Now whenever a shipment goes missing for any reason (and an awful lot do), all those whose job it was to deliver it turn up executed. Royal Mail, take note.
Not long ago a parcel got washed up on the beach (happens here a lot). Some indians found it and buried it. The Mexicans came looking, staked down the indian family, wife, children, the lot, on the beach, chucked on petrol and a match and burned all but one alive. They then asked the remaining one (the father) to go and fetch their drugs.
Scary people.
The Mexicans have taken it to a new level.
Now whenever a shipment goes missing for any reason (and an awful lot do), all those whose job it was to deliver it turn up executed. Royal Mail, take note.
Not long ago a parcel got washed up on the beach (happens here a lot). Some indians found it and buried it. The Mexicans came looking, staked down the indian family, wife, children, the lot, on the beach, chucked on petrol and a match and burned all but one alive. They then asked the remaining one (the father) to go and fetch their drugs.
Scary people.
sinizter said:
Unfortunately, whether you agree or disagree, the NHS is here to stay - and that is entirely different argument that should be kept out of this thread.
But don't go crawling to the NHS after you chose what to shove in your body. Which again, unfortunately, most people who choose to to use drugs and mess up, will do.
So if you decide to go for a hoon and end up stuffing your car into a tree because you were going a bit too quick, I assume you'll be turning the paramedics away?But don't go crawling to the NHS after you chose what to shove in your body. Which again, unfortunately, most people who choose to to use drugs and mess up, will do.
Oakey said:
sinizter said:
Unfortunately, whether you agree or disagree, the NHS is here to stay - and that is entirely different argument that should be kept out of this thread.
But don't go crawling to the NHS after you chose what to shove in your body. Which again, unfortunately, most people who choose to to use drugs and mess up, will do.
So if you decide to go for a hoon and end up stuffing your car into a tree because you were going a bit too quick, I assume you'll be turning the paramedics away?But don't go crawling to the NHS after you chose what to shove in your body. Which again, unfortunately, most people who choose to to use drugs and mess up, will do.
Ayahuasca said:
Where I live the drug transport business used to be controlled by the Colombians, until they were scared away. Those were the good old days of innocence.
The Mexicans have taken it to a new level.
Now whenever a shipment goes missing for any reason (and an awful lot do), all those whose job it was to deliver it turn up executed. Royal Mail, take note.
Not long ago a parcel got washed up on the beach (happens here a lot). Some indians found it and buried it. The Mexicans came looking, staked down the indian family, wife, children, the lot, on the beach, chucked on petrol and a match and burned all but one alive. They then asked the remaining one (the father) to go and fetch their drugs.
Scary people.
The Mexicans have taken it to a new level.
Now whenever a shipment goes missing for any reason (and an awful lot do), all those whose job it was to deliver it turn up executed. Royal Mail, take note.
Not long ago a parcel got washed up on the beach (happens here a lot). Some indians found it and buried it. The Mexicans came looking, staked down the indian family, wife, children, the lot, on the beach, chucked on petrol and a match and burned all but one alive. They then asked the remaining one (the father) to go and fetch their drugs.
Scary people.
ExChrispy Porker said:
So if you legalise drugs they are going to become model citizens? Hardly.
Prohibition in the US created the Mafia and organised crime. What did we learn from that? Nothing at all. Now we have also created drug cartels/trafficking and all the horrors associated with it.Sure the people at the top are criminals and always will be. They'll turn their hand to something else. But it won't be anywhere near as profitable as drugs. The vast majority of people involved in the drugs trade are at the bottom and just trying to make a living. There isn't an alternative illegal income source that requires anywhere near as many people to operate or could possibly support as many "criminals".
TEKNOPUG said:
Prohibition in the US created the Mafia and organised crime. What did we learn from that? Nothing at all. Now we have also created drug cartels/trafficking and all the horrors associated with it.
Sure the people at the top are criminals and always will be. They'll turn their hand to something else. But it won't be anywhere near as profitable as drugs. The vast majority of people involved in the drugs trade are at the bottom and just trying to make a living. There isn't an alternative illegal income source that requires anywhere near as many people to operate or could possibly support as many "criminals".
So they will become model citizens, is that your belief? People who set other people on fire or throw them down mine shafts will get jobs in Macdonalds ?Sure the people at the top are criminals and always will be. They'll turn their hand to something else. But it won't be anywhere near as profitable as drugs. The vast majority of people involved in the drugs trade are at the bottom and just trying to make a living. There isn't an alternative illegal income source that requires anywhere near as many people to operate or could possibly support as many "criminals".
Fittster said:
sinizter said:
Fittster said:
Why shouldn't an adult be free to control what the choose to do with their own body? You want the state to control what we ingest, what about what we think? At some point people must have personal liberty.
Why should the state bear the cost to fix what the above mentioned free adult has done to their own body ?Make drugs legal, untaxed and no cover for overdoses on the NHS, and we will be sorted - otherwise, it will just be another epic fail.
Legalising drugs will not save much money. Drug related crime has nothing to do with the drugs being illegal or not. Addicts will still commit crime to
Purchase the drugs. There will still be people using them illegally. What age will you be able to purchase crack? 14? 16? People are addicts or on the path before 18. So that trade will exist. The availability will lead to more people taking it thus more opportunity to have more addicts.
If there is no money then organised crime will move elsewhere. They want the money nothing else. They don't supply drugs for a philosophical reason.
If we legalise drugs we should do so not because of the rubbish about overnight lots
Purchase the drugs. There will still be people using them illegally. What age will you be able to purchase crack? 14? 16? People are addicts or on the path before 18. So that trade will exist. The availability will lead to more people taking it thus more opportunity to have more addicts.
If there is no money then organised crime will move elsewhere. They want the money nothing else. They don't supply drugs for a philosophical reason.
If we legalise drugs we should do so not because of the rubbish about overnight lots
Legalising drugs will not save much money. Drug related crime has nothing to do with the drugs being illegal or not. Addicts will still commit crime to
Purchase the drugs. There will still be people using them illegally. What age will you be able to purchase crack? 14? 16? People are addicts or on the path before 18. So that trade will exist. The availability will lead to more people taking it thus more opportunity to have more addicts.
If there is no money then organised crime will move elsewhere. They want the money nothing else. They don't supply drugs for a philosophical reason.
If we legalise drugs we should do so not because of the rubbish about overnight lots Of money being over and crime dropping. It won't save much at all. I also doubt it'll see many long term benefits.
Look at the alcohol abuse problems we have. I think all we will do is add to it.
Purchase the drugs. There will still be people using them illegally. What age will you be able to purchase crack? 14? 16? People are addicts or on the path before 18. So that trade will exist. The availability will lead to more people taking it thus more opportunity to have more addicts.
If there is no money then organised crime will move elsewhere. They want the money nothing else. They don't supply drugs for a philosophical reason.
If we legalise drugs we should do so not because of the rubbish about overnight lots Of money being over and crime dropping. It won't save much at all. I also doubt it'll see many long term benefits.
Look at the alcohol abuse problems we have. I think all we will do is add to it.
Ayahuasca said:
Legalising would take out a lot of the bad guys who are involved in the supply chain. Wouldn't solve all the problems though and would create some more. Stamp out a problem somewhere and it pops up somewhere else.
It won't take them out just move them to other areas. Some with more direct victims. There wasn’t a drugs problem until they were made illegal and we created circumstances for criminality to flourish. It is the unregulated production, supply and use of drugs that make them so destructive to society. Could you imagine the carnage that would ensue if we tried alcohol prohibition in this country? Any supposed “war” drugs was lost the minute it was declared. Free prescription medical-grade heroin, cocaine, MDMA etc to whoever wants it. If people want to do drugs, they are going to. So lets be grown up about it and take control, regulate the supply and quality. We’ve done the same with alcohol and tobacco (far more damaging drugs) so why should we distinguish between poisions? What percentage of prison inmates are addicts or serving time for drug related offences? How many burglaries, muggings, shop-lifting, car crime etc are linked to illegal drug use? Or is it just people trying to get enough change together for 10 Mayfair and some cheap Shiraz?
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