Mexican Drugs Gangsters Do Not Mess About...

[J4CKO]

TheJimi said:

That said, I'm happy s Hamza, Reid etc are rotting away there.

And Dwight York, which surprised me until I realised its a different one

Reid to me looks a bit simple, wonder if he is ?

[randlemarcus]

J4CKO said:

And Dwight York, which surprised me until I realised its a different one

Reid to me looks a bit simple, wonder if he is ?

Erm, he was trying to be a suicide bomber. Yes, he's obviously got a few sandwiches missing from his picnic.

[BlackLabel]

Hopefully the ISIS Beatles will be heading there soon too.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/beatles-isis-ki...

[S1KRR]

pidsy said:

p1stonhead said:

Halmyre said:

Who'd want to have been a juror on that trial?
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Yeah fk that for a laugh!

I wouldn’t want to be anything to do with that trial.

I’m sure the D.A and his whole team will be under protection for some time.

Probably not. As above, the Cartel will have moved on. New leaders, new internal power struggles for them to deal with. Chapo is over. The king is dead, long live the king. They wont want to stir up a hornets nest by killing American DA's. It would just bring the CIA and Delta Force to their doors. And members of the American public on the jury are largely irrelevant. My (limited) understanding is that the days of blowing up civilians ended with the death of Escobar. Again because it turns people against them. And the cartels love a bit of Robin Hood

Remember courts convicted Mafia bosses and didn't end up with dead jurors. They'll just want to get quietly on with the business of making money until it all quietens down.


The Boston bomber is also an inmate at that prison.

[Burwood]

Allegedly, Chappo’s two sons run the show.

[AJL308]

98elise said:

EDLT said:

Legalise drugs and this would mostly stop (they'd still be doing protection/blackmail/kidnapping/extortion etc.).

Would legal and taxed drugs be cheaper than illegal drugs? How many people do you know who smoke under the counter fags?

Sould heroin, crystal meth etc be legal?

You don't need to legalise them. When we used to manage Heroin addicts with physician prescribed Heroin we had virtually zero Heroin problems. There was no illegal market do no one sold it as there was no money to be made.

On the price discussion; I recently watched the documentary "Murder Mountain" about Cannabis production the California. Cannabis was legalised recently and a system of licensing was put in place for growers.

The issue was that the greedy government charged so much for the licenses, registration, quality control checks, etc that it became hugely difficult to make any money. It was so bad that violent crime actually INCREASED for a time because the larger growers were intimidating and sometimes murdering the smaller producers to take over their farms because you needed a very large operation to be able to afford to go legal!

[AJL308]

Viper_Larry said:

EDLT said:

Legalise drugs and this would mostly stop (they'd still be doing protection/blackmail/kidnapping/extortion etc.).

Don't take them and they'll be no market for them. People taking drugs are fuelling these issues, like it or not.

Is the correct answer!

Stupid show on TV a few months back about various scummy chavs using coke; it's something which is completely optional and is a trade which essentially wastes lives and makes very scummy, violent people very, very, very rich.

Anyone who uses coke is personally responsible for all of that. Every let little bit of it.

[dimots]

But why should it be illegal? Surely the illegality is responsible for the side effects you describe?

[Halmyre]

AJL308 said:

Is the correct answer!

Stupid show on TV a few months back about various scummy chavs using coke; it's something which is completely optional and is a trade which essentially wastes lives and makes very scummy, violent people very, very, very rich.

Anyone who uses coke is personally responsible for all of that. Every let little bit of it.

You could go back to 1920s America and substitute 'alcohol' for 'coke'. Nowadays the only scummy people getting rich are the governments which tax it until the pips squeak.

[TheJimi]

AJL308 said:

Anyone who uses coke is personally responsible for all of that. Every let little bit of it.

I think that's a very binary view of a situation that is anything but.

I suspect that it's pointless discussing it with you though, so...

[Ayahuasca]

Anyone who buys or uses cocaine has blood on their hands and is scum.

[austinsmirk]

Having watched all of Narcos and El Chapo on Netflix, I am an expert on this subject.

Personally, the USA, or any other country shouldn't really complain when they keep the trade going, by using and buying all the lovely drugs.

Simple market forces.


but I'd legalise it all: you'd stop most crime and issues instantly if you chucked the rattling junkie some decent smack, for free, in a controlled manner. He'd have no one or no need to rob.

Mind you Audi would have no market to sell S3's too and VW no market to sell R32's too, as there would be no need for drug dealer cars.

[captain_cynic]

Burwood said:

Allegedly, Chappo’s two sons run the show.

How long do we reckon until there's just one son.

And I'm sure the wife is already targeting another rich neer-do-well.

Cynical... Moi? Surely you jest sir.

[TheJimi]

austinsmirk said:

Mind you Audi would have no market to sell S3's too and VW no market to sell R32's too, as there would be no need for drug dealer cars.

Ignoring the fact that production of the R32 ceased some years ago, since when was the R32 seen as a drug dealers car?

[RemyMartin81D]

TheJimi said:

AJL308 said:

Anyone who uses coke is personally responsible for all of that. Every let little bit of it.

I think that's a very binary view of a situation that is anything but.

I suspect that it's pointless discussing it with you though, so...

Like saying anyone who ever owned a beetle was a....

\Godwins

[Burwood]

captain_cynic said:

Burwood said:

Allegedly, Chappo’s two sons run the show.

How long do we reckon until there's just one son.

And I'm sure the wife is already targeting another rich neer-do-well.

Cynical... Moi? Surely you jest sir.

who knows. It's quite plausible they are just as ruthless as he is-taught well. Escobar managed to control his crew for years whilst on the run. It only unravelled when he became short of hard cash. I would think these cartels are run not unlike a Corporation. Layers of bosses all earning ridiculous money (so why upset a good thing) running groups of crazies who will wear your head as a hat if you step out of line.

In any event the real power surely comes from controlling the military/police and government officials. Just speculating.
You have to also remember that what the public are told about his prison arrangements etc is not necessarily what will happen. He may incarcerated at a Super Max prison with no access to communication, so we are lead to believe but I am sure he knows enough to win some favours with the Feds. Who knows. It could be, i'll inform you X for ensuring you protect/leave alone Y.

Maybe I am naive but it's crazy that with all the resources and technology available they still can't dent a 1000 tonne coke business.

[Ayahuasca]

Burwood said:

captain_cynic said:

Burwood said:

Allegedly, Chappo’s two sons run the show.

How long do we reckon until there's just one son.

And I'm sure the wife is already targeting another rich neer-do-well.

Cynical... Moi? Surely you jest sir.

who knows. It's quite plausible they are just as ruthless as he is-taught well. Escobar managed to control his crew for years whilst on the run. It only unravelled when he became short of hard cash. I would think these cartels are run not unlike a Corporation. Layers of bosses all earning ridiculous money (so why upset a good thing) running groups of crazies who will wear your head as a hat if you step out of line.

In any event the real power surely comes from controlling the military/police and government officials. Just speculating.
You have to also remember that what the public are told about his prison arrangements etc is not necessarily what will happen. He may incarcerated at a Super Max prison with no access to communication, so we are lead to believe but I am sure he knows enough to win some favours with the Feds. Who knows. It could be, i'll inform you X for ensuring you protect/leave alone Y.

Maybe I am naive but it's crazy that with all the resources and technology available they still can't dent a 1000 tonne coke business.

Nah, I doubt the Americans will be interested in him now. He is in the modern-day equivalent of a bottle dungeon and there he will be forgotten. His information will in any event be out of date.

As for the American resources - look how much trouble they are having getting a small wall built... what makes anyone think they have more resources than the Mexican cartels?

[Gameface]

Small wall?

[Burwood]

Ayahuasca said:

Burwood said:

captain_cynic said:

Burwood said:

Allegedly, Chappo’s two sons run the show.

How long do we reckon until there's just one son.

And I'm sure the wife is already targeting another rich neer-do-well.

Cynical... Moi? Surely you jest sir.

who knows. It's quite plausible they are just as ruthless as he is-taught well. Escobar managed to control his crew for years whilst on the run. It only unravelled when he became short of hard cash. I would think these cartels are run not unlike a Corporation. Layers of bosses all earning ridiculous money (so why upset a good thing) running groups of crazies who will wear your head as a hat if you step out of line.

In any event the real power surely comes from controlling the military/police and government officials. Just speculating.
You have to also remember that what the public are told about his prison arrangements etc is not necessarily what will happen. He may incarcerated at a Super Max prison with no access to communication, so we are lead to believe but I am sure he knows enough to win some favours with the Feds. Who knows. It could be, i'll inform you X for ensuring you protect/leave alone Y.

Maybe I am naive but it's crazy that with all the resources and technology available they still can't dent a 1000 tonne coke business.

Nah, I doubt the Americans will be interested in him now. He is in the modern-day equivalent of a bottle dungeon and there he will be forgotten. His information will in any event be out of date.

As for the American resources - look how much trouble they are having getting a small wall built... what makes anyone think they have more resources than the Mexican cartels?

I agree 100% with your point on actual allocated resources. I should have said, there doesn't appear to be the will. Not like when Reagan went all out on the Cartels.

[captain_cynic]

Burwood said:

Maybe I am naive but it's crazy that with all the resources and technology available they still can't dent a 1000 tonne coke business.

Because the cartels are using the same technology, but are employing less bureaucracy.

In fact the only reason the Americans and Mexicans found El Chapo is because they flipped his IT guy (note to everyone, never ps off your IT guy).