Mexican Drugs Gangsters Do Not Mess About...
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Keep drugs illegal I'd rather make drug dealers rich than pay x amount becasue its "bad for your're health" in tax.
Sure those deaths in mexico are bad but most of those killed are in the game , so they know the score still its pretty messed up. They should just legalize it in mexico then let the states deal with the border control.
Sure those deaths in mexico are bad but most of those killed are in the game , so they know the score still its pretty messed up. They should just legalize it in mexico then let the states deal with the border control.
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Legalising drugs will not save much money. Drug related crime has nothing to do with the drugs being illegal or not. Addicts will still commit crime to
Purchase the drugs. There will still be people using them illegally. What age will you be able to purchase crack? 14? 16? People are addicts or on the path before 18. So that trade will exist. The availability will lead to more people taking it thus more opportunity to have more addicts.
If there is no money then organised crime will move elsewhere. They want the money nothing else. They don't supply drugs for a philosophical reason.
If we legalise drugs we should do so not because of the rubbish about overnight lots Of money being over and crime dropping. It won't save much at all. I also doubt it'll see many long term benefits.
Look at the alcohol abuse problems we have. I think all we will do is add to it.
I think it'll drop the price of drugs - particularly crack and heroin. They're a few hundred quid a kilo in country of origin, even with heavy taxation they're going to be massively cheaper. This will reduce the amount of money junkies need to fuel their habit by an order of magnitude and remove most of the financial pressure that drives them to crime.Purchase the drugs. There will still be people using them illegally. What age will you be able to purchase crack? 14? 16? People are addicts or on the path before 18. So that trade will exist. The availability will lead to more people taking it thus more opportunity to have more addicts.
If there is no money then organised crime will move elsewhere. They want the money nothing else. They don't supply drugs for a philosophical reason.
If we legalise drugs we should do so not because of the rubbish about overnight lots Of money being over and crime dropping. It won't save much at all. I also doubt it'll see many long term benefits.
Look at the alcohol abuse problems we have. I think all we will do is add to it.
The profit margin in their import and distribution is what drives the large organised crime involvement. There is no other crime for them to move to which has such a good profit to risk ratio.
I think the increase in the number of addicts will be small to non existent. People are not stopped from being junkies through lack of availability, because there is no lack of availability. Anyone who wants heroin or crack can get it.
ExChrispy Porker said:
Fittster said:
Many people commit crime to buy cigs?
To buy them cheaply, yes. Smuggling is a huge problem .Smuggling is a different issue. It applies to anything which has different duties in different countries.
ExChrispy Porker said:
Fittster said:
Many people commit crime to buy cigs?
To buy them cheaply, yes. Smuggling is a huge problem .People not steal low value products such as flour.
We'd also save a fortune as we need less people to enforce the current laws (or do you have a vested interest in keeping the war on drugs going?)
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ExChrispy Porker said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Prohibition in the US created the Mafia and organised crime. What did we learn from that? Nothing at all. Now we have also created drug cartels/trafficking and all the horrors associated with it.
Sure the people at the top are criminals and always will be. They'll turn their hand to something else. But it won't be anywhere near as profitable as drugs. The vast majority of people involved in the drugs trade are at the bottom and just trying to make a living. There isn't an alternative illegal income source that requires anywhere near as many people to operate or could possibly support as many "criminals".
So they will become model citizens, is that your belief? People who set other people on fire or throw them down mine shafts will get jobs in Macdonalds ?Sure the people at the top are criminals and always will be. They'll turn their hand to something else. But it won't be anywhere near as profitable as drugs. The vast majority of people involved in the drugs trade are at the bottom and just trying to make a living. There isn't an alternative illegal income source that requires anywhere near as many people to operate or could possibly support as many "criminals".
Fittster said:
Many people commit crime to buy cigs?
Shoplifting, burglary for the items yes. I know of a view alcoholics who commit burglaries.
The problem is I've no vested interest whatsoever.
Most of the pro posters you see do though. They all use the illegal drugs and as such aren't the impartial posters they make out.
There will be limited revenue. Limited crime reduction. There will be a move by criminals into other fields of criminality. There is still the issue that all the pro legalise lot ignore that most addicts start under the age of 18 so there will still be a Market that there is a huge problem with alcohol in this country that will I believe then be mirrored in drugs. That that there are lots of issues about treatment of illness linked to drug use. People working whilst on drugs.
It's not a simple solution. It is doubtful itll bring the benefits claimed. It's more than likely we will see increased drug use and problems associated with it.
it would create a whole new industry for this country and a new source of revenue for the government at a time when we desperately need it.
people in this country spend millions every week on illegal drugs, currently all that money goes in to the hands of criminals who then use this money to go on and fund other criminal activities
at the same time the govt spends further millions employing police, border control etc.
we are fighting a losing battle - nothing has changed in the past 80 years - drugs are easier than ever to get and our police are as useless as ever in tackling the problem
people in this country spend millions every week on illegal drugs, currently all that money goes in to the hands of criminals who then use this money to go on and fund other criminal activities
at the same time the govt spends further millions employing police, border control etc.
we are fighting a losing battle - nothing has changed in the past 80 years - drugs are easier than ever to get and our police are as useless as ever in tackling the problem
nocarjames said:
it would create a whole new industry for this country and a new source of revenue for the government at a time when we desperately need it.
people in this country spend millions every week on illegal drugs, currently all that money goes in to the hands of criminals who then use this money to go on and fund other criminal activities
at the same time the govt spends further millions employing police, border control etc.
we are fighting a losing battle - nothing has changed in the past 80 years - drugs are easier than ever to get and our police are as useless as ever in tackling the problem
Orpeople in this country spend millions every week on illegal drugs, currently all that money goes in to the hands of criminals who then use this money to go on and fund other criminal activities
at the same time the govt spends further millions employing police, border control etc.
we are fighting a losing battle - nothing has changed in the past 80 years - drugs are easier than ever to get and our police are as useless as ever in tackling the problem
We should make it less of a crime to spend 'cash' without being seen to be money laundering.
Let the criminals spunk £50k in cash on a Jag without being reported, at least they're then paying some sort of tax then, rather than them having to stash it and pay for more 'untaxed' items on the black market.
At least that way the money is back in the system.
One of the most prosperous cities in Colombia is Medellin. Why? Because in the 80's its drug exporters pumped billions of dollars into its infrastructure and paid for houses, factories, businesses, schools, etc. The money has been laundered, starched, ironed and is now perfectly legit and doing good.
Fittster said:
Because they are over taxed.
People not steal low value products such as flour.
We'd also save a fortune as we need less people to enforce the current laws (or do you have a vested interest in keeping the war on drugs going?)
Why on earth do you think I have a vested interest in keeping the war on drugs going ? I just don't see crime diminishing. The criminals who deal drugs now will find other crime to commit, probably involving dealing to those too young to obtain drugs legally, the addicts will remain addicts and so will continue to commit crime because that is what they do, they are too stoned to care or know any different. People not steal low value products such as flour.
We'd also save a fortune as we need less people to enforce the current laws (or do you have a vested interest in keeping the war on drugs going?)
ExChrispy Porker said:
Fittster said:
Because they are over taxed.
People not steal low value products such as flour.
We'd also save a fortune as we need less people to enforce the current laws (or do you have a vested interest in keeping the war on drugs going?)
Why on earth do you think I have a vested interest in keeping the war on drugs going ? I just don't see crime diminishing. The criminals who deal drugs now will find other crime to commit, probably involving dealing to those too young to obtain drugs legally, the addicts will remain addicts and so will continue to commit crime because that is what they do, they are too stoned to care or know any different. People not steal low value products such as flour.
We'd also save a fortune as we need less people to enforce the current laws (or do you have a vested interest in keeping the war on drugs going?)
Legalise drugs and this will fall away.
The Mexican orgy of violence only began to grow in the last 10 years or so when they began to take over from the Colombians. Before that Mexico was relatively peaceful and it could be again.
Todays toll: http://www.blogdelnarco.com/ WARNING, BIT GRISLY
Edited by Ayahuasca on Friday 23 September 20:03
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