"On the desert trail of Tony Blair's milion"
Discussion
Trommel said:
eldar said:
I don't see his dad making millions out of politics
You don't need to make millions when you already have millions.You do realise how many multi £millions the Cameron clan have don't you?
Ever heard of Reggie Sheffield, Sam Cam's father. He has a couple quid!
dandarez said:
What's that got to do with anything?
You do realise how many multi £millions the Cameron clan have don't you?
Ever heard of Reggie Sheffield, Sam Cam's father. He has a couple quid!
What does that have to do with anything?You do realise how many multi £millions the Cameron clan have don't you?
Ever heard of Reggie Sheffield, Sam Cam's father. He has a couple quid!
I'm aware of Cameron's family money and who his wife's father is, but last time I looked Cameron wasn't pretending to be a holier-than-thou Socialist like the hypocrite Benn.
DJRC said:
Im with Bobby. Id be doing exactly the same as Blair in his position.
When I first read that statement I wondered if it was deeper than it appeared on the surface.Are you saying that you will give in to temptation as long as there's sufficient money at the end of it? If you had the opportunity to 'be Blair', for that is surely what you are saying (presumably less his wife), then if the money was right you'd go for it?
It is unlikely that I'd be offered what Blair was but I can't say I'd jump at the chance.
So just to make it clear: I believe that I would not beggar the country, send soldiers into pointless (and costly) wars so that so many would die for no reason, publish stories of the intimate side to my married life (albeit made up ones) regardless of how much money I was offered.
He, and that awful wife of his, haven't cracked it. They only seem to want more millions.
Perhaps I have a different view to you on the worth of money. I'm with the Micawber life plan.
hidetheelephants said:
What I don't understand is why all these multinationals are giving him rest-cure directorships with fat salaries when he's obviously not very skilled at anything other than smarm and the ability to convince gullible people he's sincere, which isn't very marketable I'd have thought? What with multinational companies being run by the Masters of The Universe(TM), you'd think they would spend most of the time giggling up their sleeves at this simple charlatan.
Or have I got it wrong, and the kind of people on the boards of very large companies are uniformly unworldly and easily impressed by the grinning poltroon's oleaginous charms? Then there's the lecture tours or $1000 rubber chicken dinners; even when reading other people's scripts he never had anything interesting or relevant to say, it was always bland platitudes. Delivered well and with feeling, but bland platitudes nontheless.
It's not what you know, it's who you know. That's what they're paying him for; his address book.Or have I got it wrong, and the kind of people on the boards of very large companies are uniformly unworldly and easily impressed by the grinning poltroon's oleaginous charms? Then there's the lecture tours or $1000 rubber chicken dinners; even when reading other people's scripts he never had anything interesting or relevant to say, it was always bland platitudes. Delivered well and with feeling, but bland platitudes nontheless.
Derek Smith said:
DJRC said:
Im with Bobby. Id be doing exactly the same as Blair in his position.
When I first read that statement I wondered if it was deeper than it appeared on the surface.Are you saying that you will give in to temptation as long as there's sufficient money at the end of it? If you had the opportunity to 'be Blair', for that is surely what you are saying (presumably less his wife), then if the money was right you'd go for it?
It is unlikely that I'd be offered what Blair was but I can't say I'd jump at the chance.
So just to make it clear: I believe that I would not beggar the country, send soldiers into pointless (and costly) wars so that so many would die for no reason, publish stories of the intimate side to my married life (albeit made up ones) regardless of how much money I was offered.
He, and that awful wife of his, haven't cracked it. They only seem to want more millions.
Perhaps I have a different view to you on the worth of money. I'm with the Micawber life plan.
He didnt beggar the country...the country beggared itself. If anything quality of life vastly increased for many during Blair's time in charge, whether that was done on genuinely created wealth or on credit/debt is entirely down to the individuals concerned and their choices.
I never did regard either Iraq of Afghanistan as pointless wars. I argued before 911 that the world was being a bunch of gutless cowards for letting the Tallyboys get away with what they were doing. I argue vociferously though with how we went about things, but then as Ive argued long and hard and posted many times, the problems with the "Blair wars" were almost 95% operational, not political. The MOD and DOD drove those wars harder than anybody, new SOPs, methodologies to try out. There is a brilliant Phd for someone to write about the 00's wars straight down the "Failure of the network centric warfare model", building on the academic work and then practice of David P.
Bottom line, going into Iraq and Afghan. should have been done, but how it was done was done badly.
I care little about his married life so I dont care what he does with it.
On his business dealings side though, hell yes, Id be hawking myself out to every company that would either have me or want to pay me for whatever illusion of knowledge I could bring them. You might like to be Micawber, but Im much from the British tradition of privateers and Colonial land raping b
ds.Edited by DJRC on Tuesday 27th September 10:45
DJRC said:
Newsflash...there is no such thing as an illegal war.
Even if you were correct it would make no difference - the world knows that Bush and Blair concocted an excuse to go and kick the daylights out of Iraq. So they are either (a) liars, or (b) unbelievably stupid. You can take your pick but it doesn't look good either way. Saddam's WMD and links with al-Quaeda were pure fiction - the French knew it, the Germans knew it, Hans Blix knew it - but Tony wasn't going to let facts stand in the way of his ego.Ozzie Osmond said:
DJRC said:
Newsflash...there is no such thing as an illegal war.
Even if you were correct it would make no difference - the world knows that Bush and Blair concocted an excuse to go and kick the daylights out of Iraq. So they are either (a) liars, or (b) unbelievably stupid. You can take your pick but it doesn't look good either way. Saddam's WMD and links with al-Quaeda were pure fiction - the French knew it, the Germans knew it, Hans Blix knew it - but Tony wasn't going to let facts stand in the way of his ego.DJRC said:
You are confusing his business/financial side with his/your morality or rather view of morality.
He didnt beggar the country...the country beggared itself. If anything quality of life vastly increased for many during Blair's time in charge, whether that was done on genuinely created wealth or on credit/debt is entirely down to the individuals concerned and their choices.
I never did regard either Iraq of Afghanistan as pointless wars. I argued before 911 that the world was being a bunch of gutless cowards for letting the Tallyboys get away with what they were doing. I argue vociferously though with how we went about things, but then as Ive argued long and hard and posted many times, the problems with the "Blair wars" were almost 95% operational, not political. The MOD and DOD drove those wars harder than anybody, new SOPs, methodologies to try out. There is a brilliant Phd for someone to write about the 00's wars straight down the "Failure of the network centric warfare model", building on the academic work and then practice of David P.
Bottom line, going into Iraq and Afghan. should have been done, but how it was done was done badly.
I care little about his married life so I dont care what he does with it.
On his business dealings side though, hell yes, Id be hawking myself out to every company that would either have me or want to pay me for whatever illusion of knowledge I could bring them. You might like to be Micawber, but Im much from the British tradition of privateers and Colonial land raping bds.
There's a lot to like about your approach He didnt beggar the country...the country beggared itself. If anything quality of life vastly increased for many during Blair's time in charge, whether that was done on genuinely created wealth or on credit/debt is entirely down to the individuals concerned and their choices.
I never did regard either Iraq of Afghanistan as pointless wars. I argued before 911 that the world was being a bunch of gutless cowards for letting the Tallyboys get away with what they were doing. I argue vociferously though with how we went about things, but then as Ive argued long and hard and posted many times, the problems with the "Blair wars" were almost 95% operational, not political. The MOD and DOD drove those wars harder than anybody, new SOPs, methodologies to try out. There is a brilliant Phd for someone to write about the 00's wars straight down the "Failure of the network centric warfare model", building on the academic work and then practice of David P.
Bottom line, going into Iraq and Afghan. should have been done, but how it was done was done badly.
I care little about his married life so I dont care what he does with it.
On his business dealings side though, hell yes, Id be hawking myself out to every company that would either have me or want to pay me for whatever illusion of knowledge I could bring them. You might like to be Micawber, but Im much from the British tradition of privateers and Colonial land raping b
ds.Edited by DJRC on Tuesday 27th September 10:45
For what it's worth, I thought it was fairly obvious the post in question concerned only the business side of the equation.
DJRC said:
Derek Smith said:
DJRC said:
Im with Bobby. Id be doing exactly the same as Blair in his position.
When I first read that statement I wondered if it was deeper than it appeared on the surface.Are you saying that you will give in to temptation as long as there's sufficient money at the end of it? If you had the opportunity to 'be Blair', for that is surely what you are saying (presumably less his wife), then if the money was right you'd go for it?
It is unlikely that I'd be offered what Blair was but I can't say I'd jump at the chance.
So just to make it clear: I believe that I would not beggar the country, send soldiers into pointless (and costly) wars so that so many would die for no reason, publish stories of the intimate side to my married life (albeit made up ones) regardless of how much money I was offered.
He, and that awful wife of his, haven't cracked it. They only seem to want more millions.
Perhaps I have a different view to you on the worth of money. I'm with the Micawber life plan.
He didnt beggar the country...the country beggared itself. If anything quality of life vastly increased for many during Blair's time in charge, whether that was done on genuinely created wealth or on credit/debt is entirely down to the individuals concerned and their choices.
I never did regard either Iraq of Afghanistan as pointless wars. I argued before 911 that the world was being a bunch of gutless cowards for letting the Tallyboys get away with what they were doing. I argue vociferously though with how we went about things, but then as Ive argued long and hard and posted many times, the problems with the "Blair wars" were almost 95% operational, not political. The MOD and DOD drove those wars harder than anybody, new SOPs, methodologies to try out. There is a brilliant Phd for someone to write about the 00's wars straight down the "Failure of the network centric warfare model", building on the academic work and then practice of David P.
Bottom line, going into Iraq and Afghan. should have been done, but how it was done was done badly.
I care little about his married life so I dont care what he does with it.
On his business dealings side though, hell yes, Id be hawking myself out to every company that would either have me or want to pay me for whatever illusion of knowledge I could bring them. You might like to be Micawber, but Im much from the British tradition of privateers and Colonial land raping b
ds.Edited by DJRC on Tuesday 27th September 10:45
DJRC said:
Derek Smith said:
DJRC said:
Im with Bobby. Id be doing exactly the same as Blair in his position.
Are you saying that you will give in to temptation as long as there's sufficient money at the end of it? If you had the opportunity to 'be Blair', for that is surely what you are saying (presumably less his wife), then if the money was right you'd go for it?It is unlikely that I'd be offered what Blair was but I can't say I'd jump at the chance.
So just to make it clear: I believe that I would not beggar the country, send soldiers into pointless (and costly) wars so that so many would die for no reason, publish stories of the intimate side to my married life (albeit made up ones) regardless of how much money I was offered.
He, and that awful wife of his, haven't cracked it. They only seem to want more millions.
Perhaps I have a different view to you on the worth of money. I'm with the Micawber life plan.
On his business dealings side though, hell yes, Id be hawking myself out to every company that would either have me or want to pay me for whatever illusion of knowledge I could bring them. You might like to be Micawber, but Im much from the British tradition of privateers and Colonial land raping b
ds.Your statement appears to say much about you and your values.
The phrase you use has other connotations.
I did not, of course, say I wanted to be Micawber but merely that chasing money for its own sake seems pointless to me.
DJRC said:
Well of course it says a lot about me. If I had the chance to put half of Africa in chains to mine diamonds for me and shoot the other half, then call me Cecil and pass the knighthood!
There's a billion little Chinamen who have beaten you to it.Re Blair, I don't think anyone can object to going out and making as much money as possible etc. What would appear to stink is that much of this money could be construed as the pre determined cash pay-offs from the fiscal benefactors of Britain's armed forces being used to engage in an invasion set upon false premis.
And let's not forget the 'favours' now being bestowed by those who were granted special tax status in the UK etc.
It is all quite easy to look back at his time in office and see that he spent a lot of time pre-arranging enormous deals an delaying his reward until he could be out of grasp of Govt and operating offshore.
I do honestly think that he personfies absolutely everything that is sick and wrong about his generation and that our children and theirs will be paying the price for these people's greed and lust beyond excuseable reason.
turbobloke said:
On another Tony Blair desert trail is this:
Click
Everybody is denying knowledge, an operational matter allegedly.
You don't get to make millions overnight without previously doing a lot of favours for people with lots of money. Click
Everybody is denying knowledge, an operational matter allegedly.
The guy is scum. Pure, money grabbing, immoral, dangerous scum.
If Straw does look like going down I wonder if he will finally squeal on TB?
And let's have a look at Mandelson's new revenue streams as well. He's done rather well, rather rapidly.
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