Labour to cut Tuition Fees...
Discussion
MiniMan64 said:
whoami said:
davepoth said:
...to a maximum of £6000. They will fund this by canceling a corporation tax cut, and by charging extra interest to the highest earning graduates.
Thoughts?
They are not in a position to cut anything so it's just propaganda.Thoughts?
Jim the Sunderer said:
The bloody daft people that vote 'em in lap this sort of thing up.
Yep. To say Labour voters or more importantly former labour voters will not notice this is very naive.In their heads Labour are for the poeple. This is what they expect to hear.
Trust me on this one Our f
king useless labour mp could rape a goat and would still get voted in around here.Pesty said:
Jim the Sunderer said:
The bloody daft people that vote 'em in lap this sort of thing up.
Yep. To say Labour voters or more importantly former labour voters will not notice this is very naive.In their heads Labour are for the poeple. This is what they expect to hear.
Trust me on this one Our f
king useless labour mp could rape a goat and would still get voted in around here.then the Euro crisis and a little about libya every news program seems to be either shamelessly promoting Labour or pro man made climate change ..
Lets see what other nonsense comes from their conference. This Miliband will never get in so he can promise whatever he wants. As ever the hypocrisy of our politicians is there for all to see. Whilst objecting against the fee increase not once did I hear a Labour politician say that they would 'only' increase it to £6,000 when the protests were taking place.
The CT rate cut was introduced because companies were starting to leave the UK.
The problem with Labour is that whenever they have the idea for a tax cut it is in an area which has no impact on our international competitiveness, such as VAT. Whereas wherever they want to raise taxes has a significant impact on our competitiveness, the top 50% rate raising corporation tax etc. All to play to the mob, at a time when our economy is in dire trouble.
The problem with Labour is that whenever they have the idea for a tax cut it is in an area which has no impact on our international competitiveness, such as VAT. Whereas wherever they want to raise taxes has a significant impact on our competitiveness, the top 50% rate raising corporation tax etc. All to play to the mob, at a time when our economy is in dire trouble.
davepoth said:
...to a maximum of £6000. They will fund this by canceling a corporation tax cut, and by charging extra interest to the highest earning graduates.
Thoughts?
If they don't change their mind before they get into power which they willThoughts?
and they actually follow up their promises in their manifesto
First one 50% chance
Second one 5% chance
The cap is allready at £6000 !!! It is only in exceptional circumstances that £9000 can be charged. Most universaries have found themselves some of these circumstances though.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/mar/2...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/mar/2...
EDLT said:
turbobloke said:
Weren't they supposed to be against cuts 
A question nobody from the Labour party could answer on the daily politics a couple of day ago:"According to [I forget the name of the statistic collectors] total public spending this year fell by 0.7%, is that too far too fast?"
Thoughts?
Make entrance harder, reduce student numbers, and offer free University education and bring back means tested grants IMO. We need more highly skilled S&T graduates in this country, not more graduates. We can't compete on cost grounds with the stuff we sell, so we need to make sure that the stuff we do export is the best in the world, and we'll only achieve that by having the best grads in the world.
It's the most absurd concept to penalise those youngsters who will in all likelihood, be the greatest assets the UK has.
Make entrance harder, reduce student numbers, and offer free University education and bring back means tested grants IMO. We need more highly skilled S&T graduates in this country, not more graduates. We can't compete on cost grounds with the stuff we sell, so we need to make sure that the stuff we do export is the best in the world, and we'll only achieve that by having the best grads in the world.
It's the most absurd concept to penalise those youngsters who will in all likelihood, be the greatest assets the UK has.
Let's look at recent student actions
1) Labour introduce tuition costs, very little disruption
2) The Conservative/Lib Dem government make it easier for students of all backgrounds to attend with no upfront costs, we see bullst like the violent protests, the idiots chanting "Save our students" as if they're some impoverished and persecuted sector of society.
Labour realise students are a bunch of numpties, and know that soundbites such as "cut tuition fees" will get the idiots to vote for them as they never actually research what they're told, the modern student is spoonfed rather than a thinker.
1) Labour introduce tuition costs, very little disruption
2) The Conservative/Lib Dem government make it easier for students of all backgrounds to attend with no upfront costs, we see bulls
t like the violent protests, the idiots chanting "Save our students" as if they're some impoverished and persecuted sector of society.Labour realise students are a bunch of numpties, and know that soundbites such as "cut tuition fees" will get the idiots to vote for them as they never actually research what they're told, the modern student is spoonfed rather than a thinker.
When I left school (1979) I bet 5% of my peer group went to university (the clever ones...). Now all and sundry go and do , in many cases, worthless degrees leaving saddled with debts three years later. The whole thing is madness... I've had to bite my tongue several times on hearing proud parents tell me their little Johny is going to uni! F.F.S. he got two D's and an E at A level, crazy...
rhinochopig said:
Thoughts?
Make entrance harder, reduce student numbers, and offer free University education and bring back means tested grants IMO. We need more highly skilled S&T graduates in this country, not more graduates. We can't compete on cost grounds with the stuff we sell, so we need to make sure that the stuff we do export is the best in the world, and we'll only achieve that by having the best grads in the world.
It's the most absurd concept to penalise those youngsters who will in all likelihood, be the greatest assets the UK has.
Make entrance harder, reduce student numbers, and offer free University education and bring back means tested grants IMO. We need more highly skilled S&T graduates in this country, not more graduates. We can't compete on cost grounds with the stuff we sell, so we need to make sure that the stuff we do export is the best in the world, and we'll only achieve that by having the best grads in the world.
It's the most absurd concept to penalise those youngsters who will in all likelihood, be the greatest assets the UK has.
cymtriks said:
They could easily afford to cut the fees to zero and reinstate grants if they stopped sending kids to do degrees that neither the kids nor the nation benefit from.
Circa 3% go to uni.
Paid for by grants.
It worked before but of course they can't possibly admit that this was better and how would they hide youth unemployment and what about gloating about how much standards have improved....
yep. Tony Blair introduced this absolutely ridiculous policy that 50% of people should go to University... To do what?! Do you need a degree to be a mechanic, a plumber, a shop manager?Circa 3% go to uni.
Paid for by grants.
It worked before but of course they can't possibly admit that this was better and how would they hide youth unemployment and what about gloating about how much standards have improved....
University access should IMO be available to all by being free to all, provided they have demonstrated the aptitude to go and study things that are useful to them and the nation. We do not need people studying golf course design or hotel management at University.
For labour to cut tuition fees after introducing them in the first place, when they would never even have needed them if we'd stopped every 2 bit red brick poly from announcing itself as the University of West Coventry and dishing out bog paper degrees is just laughable.
Well, it's conference time & the pool of leftist turds still have absolutely fk-all to contribute to the recovery of this country so they need a vehicle to drum up support amongst the hard of thinking.
He kind of shot himself in the foot with the unions & their agenda so it now revolves around whining on about how the austerity plan isn't working after a relatively short period when measured against the 13 years of criminal mishandling of the UK economy.
An arse of biblical proportion.
k-all to contribute to the recovery of this country so they need a vehicle to drum up support amongst the hard of thinking.He kind of shot himself in the foot with the unions & their agenda so it now revolves around whining on about how the austerity plan isn't working after a relatively short period when measured against the 13 years of criminal mishandling of the UK economy.
An arse of biblical proportion.
Meanwhile, The Independent today states that there is "a Gordon Brown-shaped hole at the centre of the Opposition"
"Mr Brown showed some of that in 2008-09, with his Chancellor, Alistair Darling, as American and British financial institutions fell like dominoes. He acted decisively to "save the world", as he put it, by nationalising British banks and pumping money into the system. He secured a degree of consensus at the G20 in London in April 2009 that did much to bolster global confidence."
AND
"The Labour Party should not obsess about apologising for the past. Its record in government was, on balance, a good one."
I find it amazing they can write this without embarassment...
"Mr Brown showed some of that in 2008-09, with his Chancellor, Alistair Darling, as American and British financial institutions fell like dominoes. He acted decisively to "save the world", as he put it, by nationalising British banks and pumping money into the system. He secured a degree of consensus at the G20 in London in April 2009 that did much to bolster global confidence."
AND
"The Labour Party should not obsess about apologising for the past. Its record in government was, on balance, a good one."
I find it amazing they can write this without embarassment...
Oddly enough, I heard that Tessa Jowell has said that labour need to apologise for fking up the economy (amongst other things).
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/201...
No no no, it was all them bankers & stuff!
king up the economy (amongst other things).http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/201...
No no no, it was all them bankers & stuff!
chrisispringles said:
bks to'em. I'm not unduly fussed about paying £9k a year tuition fees if it means I can enter the career I am aiming for and do well for myself. A cut of a £3k a year on the tuition fees and then being lumbered with an extra graduate tax for life, if I'm successful, on top of all the other taxes I will have to pay really does not appeal.
For a great many people, the new system already amounts to a graduate tax as they will never pay it off before the 30 years are up. Have a play with the figures on this.ks to'em. I'm not unduly fussed about paying £9k a year tuition fees if it means I can enter the career I am aiming for and do well for myself. A cut of a £3k a year on the tuition fees and then being lumbered with an extra graduate tax for life, if I'm successful, on top of all the other taxes I will have to pay really does not appeal.Unfortunately, social mobility died with the last 2 govts. Not that a university degree is worth the paper it is written on, unless it is science, medical or engineering based, what with 1 in 5 ex grads out of work and highly qualified foreign labour with a much stronger work ethic, they dont stand a chance.
I feel sorry for the young of today and that includes my own 18yr old daughter.
No major govt is to be trusted with our children's future.
Cut back on foreign aid and profligacy, cut fees, get rid of pointless courses, make university tougher to get into, to weed out the slackers, leave the eu but stay as a trading nation, pull the shutters down on all immigration except for highly specialised jobs that are in short supply and put england first for a change.
I feel sorry for the young of today and that includes my own 18yr old daughter.
No major govt is to be trusted with our children's future.
Cut back on foreign aid and profligacy, cut fees, get rid of pointless courses, make university tougher to get into, to weed out the slackers, leave the eu but stay as a trading nation, pull the shutters down on all immigration except for highly specialised jobs that are in short supply and put england first for a change.
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