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Oakey

18,319 posts

112 months

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Derek Smith said:
I won't hear a word against Stalin. He was never convicted of anything when he was alive.
Al Capone was only convicted of tax evasion, how dare people call him a gangster when all he did was get sloppy with his tax returns

Super Slo Mo

3,892 posts

94 months

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Dr Jekyll said:
Lost_BMW said:
Couldn't possibly be as obvious of them to use JS for Jimmy Saville, G for Glitter and F for, well F for..?

Surely not that signposted, or are they being deliberately 'deliberate'?
Must admit my first thought was that the Star in question had a name beginning with F, but I just wondered if there were any other candidates.
An individual was named and interviewed in yesterday's Telegraph, as someone has named him as being present at one 'session'. His name fits the description above, but he vehemently denies it, plausibly in my view, but you'd need to read it and draw your own conclusions.

I worry slightly that we're now likely to get some malicious accusations based on nothing more than attention seeking, or vivid imaginations. It's going to be all but impossible to prove either way, but in the meantime, it'll be disappointing if innocent people end up getting smeared because of one or two individual's misdemeanours.

number 46

533 posts

144 months

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The plot thickens, Starrs denial does seem pretty strong. I.e not the usual non specific 'I've done nothing wrong' type of statement. Of course F could refer to the surname of the 3rd man, that opens up generations of posibilities!! Usually the papers like to give clues even if that can,t actually name the person. I guess will well have to wait and see

Edited by number 46 on Sunday 7th October 16:07

chris watton

17,798 posts

156 months

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Dr Jekyll said:
Must admit my first thought was that the Star in question had a name beginning with F, but I just wondered if there were any other candidates.
Florence, from Florence and the Machine? Sound's just like him!

RYH64E

6,144 posts

140 months

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number 46 said:
The plot thickens, Starrs denial does seem pretty strong. I.e not the usual non specific 'I've done nothing wrong' type of statement. Of course F could refer to the surname of the 3rd man, that opens up generations of posibilities!! Usually the papers like to give clues even if that can,t actually name the person. I guess will well have to wait and see
The allegation would appear to be directed at Starr, whether he did or not is obviously a different question. I linked an article above that named him, the girl in question, and Savile.
article said:
Veteran comedian Freddie Starr has denied allegations he attempted to grope an underage girl in the 1970s.

The funnyman has dismissed Karin Ward's allegation that he tried to touch her breasts when she was 14, while visiting late entertainer Sir Jimmy Savile at the BBC Television Centre in London.
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CooperD

1,633 posts

73 months

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Looks like the trust that carries his name are considering a change of title. Not surprised really.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19863322

Digby

3,883 posts

142 months

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I just went looking for a song on youtube and clicked this link..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPZYxVXSOFc&fea...

Couldn't help but wonder what he was thinking..

groak

3,254 posts

75 months

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Alvin Lee ? (he was pretty upfront about it wink

Mind you, the number of cover versions over the years from S-B williamson to yardbirds to TYA would probably fill several docks with underrage predators....

Edited by groak on Sunday 7th October 17:14

groak

3,254 posts

75 months

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Frik said:
.... There certainly have been different attitudes to post-pubescent but underage girls in the past and maybe in the future. I doubt the law will change much though.

Sexual assault remains a crime, as does statutory rape. Whether the suspect is dead or alive there is a potential crime that needs to be investigated.
Dead or alive? Hmmm. Cops and courts are going to be busy. Where do we start? Caligula? Nero? Further back? UK only? Cases involving still living victims only?

Paedos and statutory rapists apparently have organised 'circles' and certainly have organised stimulative material including all over the internet. Now a pantheon of well-loved celebrity indulgers starts emerging. Well-worn path to acceptability I'd say. Am I wrong? is the genie going back into the bottle?


JuniorD

4,163 posts

119 months

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Well I certainly wouldn't be surprised if one day the age of consent is lowered still further. It won't change what constitutes rape but it at the stroke of a pen a fair amount of otherwise noncey activity would be suddenly legal. Politicians will be able to sleep soundly at night in the arms of their little rent boys.

Mr Happy

4,678 posts

116 months

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JuniorD said:
Well I certainly wouldn't be surprised if one day the age of consent is lowered still further. It won't change what constitutes rape but it at the stroke of a pen a fair amount of otherwise noncey activity would be suddenly legal. Politicians will be able to sleep soundly at night in the arms of their little rent boys.
Have there been any documented cases of politicians using under-age rent boys, or is that all supposition on your part?

Derek Smith

22,383 posts

144 months

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groak said:
Dead or alive? Hmmm. Cops and courts are going to be busy. Where do we start? Caligula? Nero? Further back? UK only? Cases involving still living victims only?

Paedos and statutory rapists apparently have organised 'circles' and certainly have organised stimulative material including all over the internet. Now a pantheon of well-loved celebrity indulgers starts emerging. Well-worn path to acceptability I'd say. Am I wrong? is the genie going back into the bottle?
If the victim wants to complain then who are we to deny them? Should the police refuse to enquire into the matter despite the allegations surrounding the circumstances which suggest others were complicit?

All these victims can hope for in closure.

Some have suggested these victims are motivated by revenge. To me, revenge is good.

Dr Jekyll

9,423 posts

157 months

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Mr Happy said:
Have there been any documented cases of politicians using under-age rent boys, or is that all supposition on your part?
Boothby? Driberg?

Mr Happy

4,678 posts

116 months

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Dr Jekyll said:
Mr Happy said:
Have there been any documented cases of politicians using under-age rent boys, or is that all supposition on your part?
Boothby? Driberg?
Both before my time, but I'll do some reading.

ETA - Boothby seems to have been batting for both teams, at a time at which being gay was still illegal, but I can't see anything about him using under-age rent boys? Also, Driberg again, was gay at a time when it was illegal, but according to wikipedia (I know, I know!) was satirised in a Dudley Moore and Peter Cook sketch which portrayed him being with a rent boy, with no reference to the age of them.

The only reason I'm asking is because it's an oft-trotted out line that politicians are pretty much always sticking it up under-age rent boys, but for the allegations to be so widespread - much like Savile, something must be definite enough to stick.

Even Keeler was 19 during the Profumo Affair (admittedly, not a rent boy but in terms of scandals it was right up there)

Edited by Mr Happy on Sunday 7th October 18:25

Justin Cyder

12,624 posts

45 months

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Mark Oaten was partial to a little toilet trading.

Mr Happy

4,678 posts

116 months

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Justin Cyder said:
Mark Oaten was partial to a little toilet trading.
Again, not with under-age rent boys though. He's alleged to have "engagiert in der Scheiße essen" with some rent boys, and solicited the services of another 23 year old rent boy, but the under-age thing still hasn't stuck.

GilbertGutbucket

663 posts

59 months

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Check-out the mis-spelling of his name on BBC News online........

See here.

I think someone inhouse has done this deliberately, good on them!!!

Mr Happy

4,678 posts

116 months

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GilbertGutbucket said:
Check-out the mis-spelling of his name on BBC News online........

See here.

I think someone inhouse has done this deliberately, good on them!!!
Its always been spelled with one L ???

GilbertGutbucket

663 posts

59 months

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I stand corrected, but this thread and most other media referrals name him as Jimmy Saville

CommanderJameson

22,096 posts

122 months

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GilbertGutbucket said:
I stand corrected, but this thread and most other media referrals name him as Jimmy Saville
I beg to differ on the latter assertion
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