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Mr Happy

4,487 posts

106 months

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JuniorD said:
Well I certainly wouldn't be surprised if one day the age of consent is lowered still further. It won't change what constitutes rape but it at the stroke of a pen a fair amount of otherwise noncey activity would be suddenly legal. Politicians will be able to sleep soundly at night in the arms of their little rent boys.
Have there been any documented cases of politicians using under-age rent boys, or is that all supposition on your part?

Derek Smith

20,572 posts

134 months

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groak said:
Dead or alive? Hmmm. Cops and courts are going to be busy. Where do we start? Caligula? Nero? Further back? UK only? Cases involving still living victims only?

Paedos and statutory rapists apparently have organised 'circles' and certainly have organised stimulative material including all over the internet. Now a pantheon of well-loved celebrity indulgers starts emerging. Well-worn path to acceptability I'd say. Am I wrong? is the genie going back into the bottle?
If the victim wants to complain then who are we to deny them? Should the police refuse to enquire into the matter despite the allegations surrounding the circumstances which suggest others were complicit?

All these victims can hope for in closure.

Some have suggested these victims are motivated by revenge. To me, revenge is good.

Dr Jekyll

7,720 posts

147 months

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Mr Happy said:
Have there been any documented cases of politicians using under-age rent boys, or is that all supposition on your part?
Boothby? Driberg?

Mr Happy

4,487 posts

106 months

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Dr Jekyll said:
Mr Happy said:
Have there been any documented cases of politicians using under-age rent boys, or is that all supposition on your part?
Boothby? Driberg?
Both before my time, but I'll do some reading.

ETA - Boothby seems to have been batting for both teams, at a time at which being gay was still illegal, but I can't see anything about him using under-age rent boys? Also, Driberg again, was gay at a time when it was illegal, but according to wikipedia (I know, I know!) was satirised in a Dudley Moore and Peter Cook sketch which portrayed him being with a rent boy, with no reference to the age of them.

The only reason I'm asking is because it's an oft-trotted out line that politicians are pretty much always sticking it up under-age rent boys, but for the allegations to be so widespread - much like Savile, something must be definite enough to stick.

Even Keeler was 19 during the Profumo Affair (admittedly, not a rent boy but in terms of scandals it was right up there)

Edited by Mr Happy on Sunday 7th October 18:25

Justin Cyder

12,624 posts

35 months

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Mark Oaten was partial to a little toilet trading.
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Mr Happy

4,487 posts

106 months

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Justin Cyder said:
Mark Oaten was partial to a little toilet trading.
Again, not with under-age rent boys though. He's alleged to have "engagiert in der Scheiße essen" with some rent boys, and solicited the services of another 23 year old rent boy, but the under-age thing still hasn't stuck.

GilbertGutbucket

663 posts

49 months

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Check-out the mis-spelling of his name on BBC News online........

See here.

I think someone inhouse has done this deliberately, good on them!!!

Mr Happy

4,487 posts

106 months

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GilbertGutbucket said:
Check-out the mis-spelling of his name on BBC News online........

See here.

I think someone inhouse has done this deliberately, good on them!!!
Its always been spelled with one L ???

GilbertGutbucket

663 posts

49 months

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I stand corrected, but this thread and most other media referrals name him as Jimmy Saville

CommanderJameson

22,096 posts

112 months

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GilbertGutbucket said:
I stand corrected, but this thread and most other media referrals name him as Jimmy Saville
I beg to differ on the latter assertion

Lost_BMW

12,955 posts

62 months

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GilbertGutbucket said:
I stand corrected, but this thread and most other media referrals name him as Jimmy Saville
[creep]"Hellloo, I'm Sirrr Jimmmyy Savilllle... [/creep]

Edited by Lost_BMW on Monday 8th October 13:02

groak

3,254 posts

65 months

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Derek Smith said:
groak said:
Dead or alive? Hmmm. Cops and courts are going to be busy. Where do we start? Caligula? Nero? Further back? UK only? Cases involving still living victims only?

Paedos and statutory rapists apparently have organised 'circles' and certainly have organised stimulative material including all over the internet. Now a pantheon of well-loved celebrity indulgers starts emerging. Well-worn path to acceptability I'd say. Am I wrong? is the genie going back into the bottle?
If the victim wants to complain then who are we to deny them? Should the police refuse to enquire into the matter despite the allegations surrounding the circumstances which suggest others were complicit?

All these victims can hope for in closure.

Some have suggested these victims are motivated by revenge. To me, revenge is good.
The police, you say? Hmmm....nope....apparently they're at it too....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-139434/Mor...

Maybe we'll just have to get paedophiles to self regulate themselves like the police do...laugh

Derek Smith

20,572 posts

134 months

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groak said:
The police, you say? Hmmm....nope....apparently they're at it too....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-139434/Mor...

Maybe we'll just have to get paedophiles to self regulate themselves like the police do...laugh
That's old news as such. There have been a number of arrests, one (I know of) in my old force, a fellow inspector I'd worked with on and off for some years. I never liked him, indeed had a few arguments with him - as I did on my last contact with him - but that was because he was a lazy sob. There was no intimation, at least to me, that he was into paedo pictures.

There is a big difference in actus between those who view images and those who actively seek out and abuse kids. The vast majority of this 2400 were image viewing.

Nice to think that some of them would be sweating now, not knowing when the knock on the door would occur.

Everyone is at it though. Sexual 'deviation' is a constant and knows no boundaries. Some deviants are legal, other are not. The moral bit with kids is obvious: vulnerable, exploitation, etc, but some of the other stuff is not. It goes from flashers and masturbators, whose motivation is a bit difficult to work out, to those who go for sex in weird places with the even weirder.

We did obs in Cannon Street railway station toilets where a hole had been drilled through a connecting wall between two cubicals. It wasn't a big hole but the others assured me it was big enough for some. There was a bloke who stuck his head into the urinals, hopefully just to smell but some suggested something really weird.

One bloke did the ‘normal’, stuck his dick through the hole and made a lewd suggestion to the officer (not me) next door. He was arrested and taken up to the BTP office above the WHSmith shop. While the officer phoned for transport (my van) the bloke ran at the windows, smashed one but missed the walkway outside and fell onto the concourse.

He turned out to be a high level chappie at a bank’s HQ in the City. The operation was closed down after that – important people getting caught is not on. But some of the peculiar ‘tastes’ of blokes you would not believe.

And there are so many of them. Paedophilia is one of many.

Two blokes buggering one-another used to be an offence. Then it was just down to three or more, or in a public place. Some of the case law suggested that judges might be sympathetic.

All these are deviants to all, some or few people.

After seeing so much my feeling is that if it is consenting adults, then no one should sit in judgement. When kids, those who are incapable of giving consent, those who are bullied, threatened or are under an obligation, etc, are involved then there is no excuse.

But who can blame two 15-year-olds?

There were many thousands on that list from the USA. I’m not sure where the 2400 came from. The evidence, if rumours are found to be true, was that they used their credit cards. I can’t help thinking that the list contains only the stupid police officers into looking at kiddy pictures.

It is creepy knowing that I’ve sat next to one on a couple of courses and worked with him in a cell block without any suspicion.

So who do you sit next to on a bus?

Circa 100 officers is wrong I think. It is 100 people employed by police so includes civvies. So two per force, average size is 4,500, is a small percentage. One wonders what the national average is.

Alucidnation

2,833 posts

56 months

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Derek Smith said:
Interesting stuff
I saw on a tv programme recently, that there are parts of the internet that you can visit (if you know how to), where you are "untraceable".

Scary.



Justin Cyder

12,624 posts

35 months

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I suppose the question is what does a paedophile look like?

In a past life, I worked for The body shop. I should point out it was in a manly way, running the warehouse & not poncing about with shampoo & make up like a hot house flower. Well this is piston heads after all.

Anyhoo, we had to undertake 'community projects' as part of the deal, what with the company ethos & so on. Generally these were assiduously & persistently dodged as a bit of a waste of time, however, mine eventually caught up with me. So I opted to go along woth a child protection thing & the big thing of it was going to Scotland Yard & meeting up for a talk with the big cheese in charge of this stuff - pre CEOPS days.

I was all set for a bore-fest lecture, but that particular copper was absolutely exceptional & a bloody inspiration to me. This guy had been involved in hundreds of enquiries & as a direct result had ended up fostering 17 children who were otherwise circling the drain of life. Talk about living the job.

The point of all this is this: He told us amongst other things that even though they are deemed the lowest of the low, your convicted paedophile is nonetheless entitled to protection under the law as any other prisoner would be. This means in practice that they have to be segregated from the general prison population as they clearly wouldn't last a day on the wing.

In turn, that means that they are all lumped together on one wing of Wandsworth nick & because of that, they all swap notes & become better at being paedophiles, hoovering up one anothers tales of how they came to be nicked.

What a world we live in eh?

groak

3,254 posts

65 months

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We might as well face up to it....the place is crawling with paedos and fiddlers. Priests are at it.Teachers are at it. Cops are at it. Celebs are at it. Ordinary mums and dads are at it. And it's just a matter of time till one of them starts activisming for its acceptance and legalisation. Next thing you know, it's an offence to offend them.

Next (once kiddy fiddling's decriminalised) it's animals. Or is shagging/being shagged by animals already acceptable?

Victor McDade

4,395 posts

68 months

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groak said:
We might as well face up to it....the place is crawling with paedos and fiddlers. Priests are at it.Teachers are at it. Cops are at it. Celebs are at it. Ordinary mums and dads are at it. And it's just a matter of time till one of them starts activisming for its acceptance and legalisation. Next thing you know, it's an offence to offend them.

Next (once kiddy fiddling's decriminalised) it's animals. Or is shagging/being shagged by animals already acceptable?
If you want to catch more on here then you really need to start using some better bait Groak. smile

Shaolin

2,654 posts

75 months

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Victor McDade said:
If you want to catch more on here then you really need to start using some better bait Groak. smile
Isn't he just a homophobe trying to drum up support?

groak

3,254 posts

65 months

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If you want to catch more on here then you really need to start using some better bait Groak. smile
So what do YOU think? If it turns out that there are a vast number of people indulging in these dubious practices (and the best thing you can say is that there doesn't seem to be a shortage), will it trend towards acceptability, or become another 'war' like the one on drugs ?

ViperPict

9,781 posts

123 months

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groak said:
We might as well face up to it....the place is crawling with paedos and fiddlers. Priests are at it.Teachers are at it. Cops are at it. Celebs are at it. Ordinary mums and dads are at it. And it's just a matter of time till one of them starts activisming for its acceptance and legalisation. Next thing you know, it's an offence to offend them.

Next (once kiddy fiddling's decriminalised) it's animals. Or is shagging/being shagged by animals already acceptable?
I read somewhere not so long ago (trying to find the link, unless it was an actual hard copy of a periodical) that broader research into such issues indicated that as much as 5% of people have paedophilia urges.
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