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Lost_BMW

12,955 posts

73 months

Sunday 7th October 2012
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GilbertGutbucket said:
I stand corrected, but this thread and most other media referrals name him as Jimmy Saville
[creep]"Hellloo, I'm Sirrr Jimmmyy Savilllle... [/creep]

Edited by Lost_BMW on Monday 8th October 13:02

groak

3,254 posts

76 months

Sunday 7th October 2012
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Derek Smith said:
groak said:
Dead or alive? Hmmm. Cops and courts are going to be busy. Where do we start? Caligula? Nero? Further back? UK only? Cases involving still living victims only?

Paedos and statutory rapists apparently have organised 'circles' and certainly have organised stimulative material including all over the internet. Now a pantheon of well-loved celebrity indulgers starts emerging. Well-worn path to acceptability I'd say. Am I wrong? is the genie going back into the bottle?
If the victim wants to complain then who are we to deny them? Should the police refuse to enquire into the matter despite the allegations surrounding the circumstances which suggest others were complicit?

All these victims can hope for in closure.

Some have suggested these victims are motivated by revenge. To me, revenge is good.
The police, you say? Hmmm....nope....apparently they're at it too....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-139434/Mor...

Maybe we'll just have to get paedophiles to self regulate themselves like the police do...laugh

Derek Smith

22,398 posts

145 months

Sunday 7th October 2012
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groak said:
The police, you say? Hmmm....nope....apparently they're at it too....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-139434/Mor...

Maybe we'll just have to get paedophiles to self regulate themselves like the police do...laugh
That's old news as such. There have been a number of arrests, one (I know of) in my old force, a fellow inspector I'd worked with on and off for some years. I never liked him, indeed had a few arguments with him - as I did on my last contact with him - but that was because he was a lazy sob. There was no intimation, at least to me, that he was into paedo pictures.

There is a big difference in actus between those who view images and those who actively seek out and abuse kids. The vast majority of this 2400 were image viewing.

Nice to think that some of them would be sweating now, not knowing when the knock on the door would occur.

Everyone is at it though. Sexual 'deviation' is a constant and knows no boundaries. Some deviants are legal, other are not. The moral bit with kids is obvious: vulnerable, exploitation, etc, but some of the other stuff is not. It goes from flashers and masturbators, whose motivation is a bit difficult to work out, to those who go for sex in weird places with the even weirder.

We did obs in Cannon Street railway station toilets where a hole had been drilled through a connecting wall between two cubicals. It wasn't a big hole but the others assured me it was big enough for some. There was a bloke who stuck his head into the urinals, hopefully just to smell but some suggested something really weird.

One bloke did the ‘normal’, stuck his dick through the hole and made a lewd suggestion to the officer (not me) next door. He was arrested and taken up to the BTP office above the WHSmith shop. While the officer phoned for transport (my van) the bloke ran at the windows, smashed one but missed the walkway outside and fell onto the concourse.

He turned out to be a high level chappie at a bank’s HQ in the City. The operation was closed down after that – important people getting caught is not on. But some of the peculiar ‘tastes’ of blokes you would not believe.

And there are so many of them. Paedophilia is one of many.

Two blokes buggering one-another used to be an offence. Then it was just down to three or more, or in a public place. Some of the case law suggested that judges might be sympathetic.

All these are deviants to all, some or few people.

After seeing so much my feeling is that if it is consenting adults, then no one should sit in judgement. When kids, those who are incapable of giving consent, those who are bullied, threatened or are under an obligation, etc, are involved then there is no excuse.

But who can blame two 15-year-olds?

There were many thousands on that list from the USA. I’m not sure where the 2400 came from. The evidence, if rumours are found to be true, was that they used their credit cards. I can’t help thinking that the list contains only the stupid police officers into looking at kiddy pictures.

It is creepy knowing that I’ve sat next to one on a couple of courses and worked with him in a cell block without any suspicion.

So who do you sit next to on a bus?

Circa 100 officers is wrong I think. It is 100 people employed by police so includes civvies. So two per force, average size is 4,500, is a small percentage. One wonders what the national average is.

Alucidnation

3,533 posts

67 months

Sunday 7th October 2012
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Derek Smith said:
Interesting stuff
I saw on a tv programme recently, that there are parts of the internet that you can visit (if you know how to), where you are "untraceable".

Scary.



Justin Cyder

12,624 posts

46 months

Sunday 7th October 2012
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I suppose the question is what does a paedophile look like?

In a past life, I worked for The body shop. I should point out it was in a manly way, running the warehouse & not poncing about with shampoo & make up like a hot house flower. Well this is piston heads after all.

Anyhoo, we had to undertake 'community projects' as part of the deal, what with the company ethos & so on. Generally these were assiduously & persistently dodged as a bit of a waste of time, however, mine eventually caught up with me. So I opted to go along woth a child protection thing & the big thing of it was going to Scotland Yard & meeting up for a talk with the big cheese in charge of this stuff - pre CEOPS days.

I was all set for a bore-fest lecture, but that particular copper was absolutely exceptional & a bloody inspiration to me. This guy had been involved in hundreds of enquiries & as a direct result had ended up fostering 17 children who were otherwise circling the drain of life. Talk about living the job.

The point of all this is this: He told us amongst other things that even though they are deemed the lowest of the low, your convicted paedophile is nonetheless entitled to protection under the law as any other prisoner would be. This means in practice that they have to be segregated from the general prison population as they clearly wouldn't last a day on the wing.

In turn, that means that they are all lumped together on one wing of Wandsworth nick & because of that, they all swap notes & become better at being paedophiles, hoovering up one anothers tales of how they came to be nicked.

What a world we live in eh?

groak

3,254 posts

76 months

Sunday 7th October 2012
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We might as well face up to it....the place is crawling with paedos and fiddlers. Priests are at it.Teachers are at it. Cops are at it. Celebs are at it. Ordinary mums and dads are at it. And it's just a matter of time till one of them starts activisming for its acceptance and legalisation. Next thing you know, it's an offence to offend them.

Next (once kiddy fiddling's decriminalised) it's animals. Or is shagging/being shagged by animals already acceptable?

Victor McDade

4,395 posts

79 months

Sunday 7th October 2012
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groak said:
We might as well face up to it....the place is crawling with paedos and fiddlers. Priests are at it.Teachers are at it. Cops are at it. Celebs are at it. Ordinary mums and dads are at it. And it's just a matter of time till one of them starts activisming for its acceptance and legalisation. Next thing you know, it's an offence to offend them.

Next (once kiddy fiddling's decriminalised) it's animals. Or is shagging/being shagged by animals already acceptable?
If you want to catch more on here then you really need to start using some better bait Groak. smile

Shaolin

2,947 posts

86 months

Sunday 7th October 2012
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Victor McDade said:
If you want to catch more on here then you really need to start using some better bait Groak. smile
Isn't he just a homophobe trying to drum up support?

groak

3,254 posts

76 months

Sunday 7th October 2012
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Victor McDade said:
If you want to catch more on here then you really need to start using some better bait Groak. smile
So what do YOU think? If it turns out that there are a vast number of people indulging in these dubious practices (and the best thing you can say is that there doesn't seem to be a shortage), will it trend towards acceptability, or become another 'war' like the one on drugs ?

ViperPict

9,909 posts

134 months

Sunday 7th October 2012
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groak said:
We might as well face up to it....the place is crawling with paedos and fiddlers. Priests are at it.Teachers are at it. Cops are at it. Celebs are at it. Ordinary mums and dads are at it. And it's just a matter of time till one of them starts activisming for its acceptance and legalisation. Next thing you know, it's an offence to offend them.

Next (once kiddy fiddling's decriminalised) it's animals. Or is shagging/being shagged by animals already acceptable?
I read somewhere not so long ago (trying to find the link, unless it was an actual hard copy of a periodical) that broader research into such issues indicated that as much as 5% of people have paedophilia urges.

groak

3,254 posts

76 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Shaolin said:
Victor McDade said:
If you want to catch more on here then you really need to start using some better bait Groak. smile
Isn't he just a homophobe trying to drum up support?
I Was A Teenage Homophobic Activist........then one day I read a copy of 'The Ballad of Reading Gaol'

Lifechanging I tell you! Lifechanging!!

So if YOU get inspired to bash in queer heads every time you go to the ballet and see poofs in tights pranciing around, get summa dat Oscar Wilde inta ye!!

Edited by groak on Monday 8th October 00:44

groak

3,254 posts

76 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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ViperPict said:
I read somewhere not so long ago (trying to find the link, unless it was an actual hard copy of a periodical) that broader research into such issues indicated that as much as 5% of people have paedophilia urges.
Funnily enough it was an article (I think in a newspaper some months ago) on the same thing (a million in the UK) which prompted my current outburst. 5% is more like 3 million. That's a lot isn't it? Do you think if you added together all the deviants of one kind or another that the normal remainder would be in the minority? Of course you do realise that would mean being normal would be abnormal wouldn't it? LOL!! Maybe normalcy should be outlawed. nuts

thehawk

9,313 posts

104 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Digby said:
I just went looking for a song on youtube and clicked this link..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPZYxVXSOFc&fea...

Couldn't help but wonder what he was thinking..
I had to watch a 15 second Nissan commercial - nice to know they sponsor paedos :-)

Another relevant song, but probably only known to Australians/Kiwis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m6GXEoOhN8

Edited by thehawk on Monday 8th October 01:31

Colonial

11,704 posts

102 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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groak said:
We might as well face up to it....the place is crawling with paedos and fiddlers. Priests are at it.Teachers are at it. Cops are at it. Celebs are at it. Ordinary mums and dads are at it. And it's just a matter of time till one of them starts activisming for its acceptance and legalisation. Next thing you know, it's an offence to offend them.

Next (once kiddy fiddling's decriminalised) it's animals. Or is shagging/being shagged by animals already acceptable?
Ho hum. Tiresome troll is tiresome.

Eric Mc

82,288 posts

162 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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The magic age of 16 has long been celebrated in pop and rock - especially in the rock and roll era -

"You're 16, You're Beautiful and You're Mine" - Johny Burnette (and Ringo Starr in 1974)

"Sweet Little 16" - Chuck Berry

"Only 16" - Craig Douglas/Sam Cooke

"Happy Birthday Sweet 16" - Neil Sedaka

"16 Candles" - The Crests

Vipers

21,306 posts

125 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Eric Mc said:
The magic age of 16 has long been celebrated in pop and rock - especially in the rock and roll era -

"You're 16, You're Beautiful and You're Mine" - Johny Burnette (and Ringo Starr in 1974)

"Sweet Little 16" - Chuck Berry

"Only 16" - Craig Douglas/Sam Cooke

"Happy Birthday Sweet 16" - Neil Sedaka

"16 Candles" - The Crests
Indeed Eric, but not with some sleeze bag shoving a grubby mit up young girls jumpers. Not sure but talking of 16 is it even lower in some American states, or did they change that?



smile

Eric Mc

82,288 posts

162 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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All the above songs were written by American song writers - which, as you say, was slightly odd in that the legal age of consent in some US States was below 16 at the time those songs were written.

If I recall, Jerry Lee Lewis' marriage to his 13 year old cousin was perfectly legal under the law of the state in which the marriage was conducted. It only caused a fuss when he crossed over various state lines and when he wanted to bring her with him to the UK.

In the US there used to be a law called The Mann Act which allowed a US state to prosecute an individual if they crossed a state boundary with someone who was underage in that state. In 1962, Chuck Berry was prosecuted under this act for taking a 14 year old girl across the state lines.

Edited by Eric Mc on Monday 8th October 08:43

Serendipity72

191 posts

36 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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There is a whole culture out there worshiping young adolescent sexuality. Just look at this person's work, for instance (warning this is absolutely disgusting stuff): http://www.daddyshere.com/frey.asp

Someone told me once about staying in the same hotel as Gary Glitter and how there were lots of girls around throwing themselves at him. If someone in the pop industry in those days had any paedo tendencies then there was a lot of temptation around for them.

The press can get Jimmy Saville very easily now he is dead and if Fred Goodwin was stripped of his knighthood then I am sure that JS will be.
More interestingly several of the reports have alluded to other who did similar who are still alive. It will be interesting if the press build up the courage to name names.

cardigankid

6,674 posts

109 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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There has been and probably still is a great deal of serious wrongdoing here, but society needs to stand back and decide what its ethos really is. Then it can actually do something about it, rather than conduct a melodramatic witchhunt against a celebrity who is conveniently dead.

It is patently clear that underage sex was rife in the pop music industry from the sixties onwards at least. John Peel has described girls of 13 and 14 throwing themselves at him in the States, where, correct me if I am wrong, the age of consent is 18. He was happy to oblige. It turns out that the Radio 1 roadshow was a hotbed of similar activity. Why do you imagine young blokes want to be pop stars or DJ's anyway? Anyone who used to watch Top of the Pops back in the day could tell you that it oozed sexuality, and anyone who imagined that a great deal of hanky panky was not taking place must be very naive.

The fashion industry is exactly the same.

It is symptomatic of the chronic hypocrisy we suffer from that someone like Esther Rantzen sets herself up as the children's protector and general purpose saint, but chooses to stay silent about Jimmy Savile. I wonder how many people 'abused' her on her way to the top, and why she has so far said nothing about it? And while Gary Glitter, or whatever his real name is, is undoubtedly a convicted pervert, isn't the press and everyone else slavering to tear him to shreds while ignoring what is going on in front of our eyes?

You would think that as a basic minimum, children in care homes whether run by the Church or the State, should be kept safe. What are the homes to do however when they cannot exercise any basic control over what the children they are looking after are allowed to do? Why have we not heard from these girls whom Savile abused before? Are we to believe that under age or otherwise they were not throwing themselves at the DJ like the ones in the US threw themselves at John Peel? So is this about anything other than money?

I think care homes would be a good place to start, and I remain of the view that there is a great deal more to come out on that topic were the press and politicians not very keen to keep a lid on it.


Bitofbully

394 posts

36 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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cardigankid said:
It is patently clear that underage sex was rife in the pop music industry from the sixties onwards at least. John Peel has described girls of 13 and 14 throwing themselves at him in the States, where, correct me if I am wrong, the age of consent is 18. He was happy to oblige.
I hope you have some proof of that, rather than just spouting some vague allegation alluded to by the Daily Mail about someone who is no longer around to defend themselves.