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Tyre Smoke

9,762 posts

158 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Eric Mc said:
I blame Elvis myself.
Another star with a predilection for underage sex

Eric Mc

82,299 posts

162 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Tyre Smoke said:
Eric Mc said:
I blame Elvis myself.
Another star with a predilection for underage sex
Was it underage at the time though?

cardigankid

6,674 posts

109 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Bitofbully said:
cardigankid said:
It is patently clear that underage sex was rife in the pop music industry from the sixties onwards at least. John Peel has described girls of 13 and 14 throwing themselves at him in the States, where, correct me if I am wrong, the age of consent is 18. He was happy to oblige.
I hope you have some proof of that, rather than just spouting some vague allegation alluded to by the Daily Mail about someone who is no longer around to defend themselves.
Take a look at yesterday's Sunday Times. I am quoting John Peel himself.

Bonefish Blues

7,744 posts

120 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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A debate that's been going on for centuries: http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/teaching-modules/230?secti...

And here for age of consent table: http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/teaching-modules/230?secti...

Tyre Smoke

9,762 posts

158 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Eric Mc said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Eric Mc said:
I blame Elvis myself.
Another star with a predilection for underage sex
Was it underage at the time though?
I thought it was generally accepted that Priscilla was 14 when she met him and there's also the line from Cohen's Walking in Memphis 'a pretty young thing, waiting for the King, down in the Jungle Room'. It's not exactly a secret!

DJRC

23,383 posts

133 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Its only *wrong* by the mores of todays society. A wider context of human history and it isnt...there is a certain aspect hardwired in. But as I said in the previous post, the legal position is the legal position, so it renders the moral aspect irrelevent. If its legal at 13,14, whatever in some States then its legal, if it isnt then its illegal and you are subject to the law being applied.

The moral position of arguing over a period of 3 yrs is a bit silly to me. Best to stick with the legal aspect.

Eric Mc

82,299 posts

162 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Tyre Smoke said:
Eric Mc said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Eric Mc said:
I blame Elvis myself.
Another star with a predilection for underage sex
Was it underage at the time though?
I thought it was generally accepted that Priscilla was 14 when she met him and there's also the line from Cohen's Walking in Memphis 'a pretty young thing, waiting for the King, down in the Jungle Room'. It's not exactly a secret!
But was it illegal?

The US has quite varying underage laws - with the Southern States (such as Tenessee) having generally younger consent ages than other parts of the country.
At the time Elvis and Priscilla were dating (early to mid 1960s) it may all have been perfectly legal. And, of course, dating on its own is not a crime.

The moral aspect of such behaviour is a different matter of course - but the laws on underage sex have varied wildly over time and locality.

cardigankid

6,674 posts

109 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Eric Mc said:
I would suggest that the age of consent be INCREASED rather than decreased. Whilst physically, young people may be maturing earlier - in my opinion, mentally they are maturing much later. Many youngsters of 18 today behave and act as if they were 12.
Maybe, but there is no way you are going to stop them, all you are going to do is create another huge swathe of people who are classified as sex offenders. Think back to when you were at school. Were there not boys and girls having sex before either of them were 16? I didn't but I received a few offers. I was too busy making Airfix kits! Quite a number were though (some of the girls were what you might call predatory) needless to say they are all criminals too. Can they now sue the school, or their parents, or somebody else?

I'm not saying it's right, but society is screwed up over this, some of it is justice, some of it is child protection, and some of it is just prudery.




Halb

26,984 posts

80 months

CommanderJameson

22,096 posts

123 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Eric Mc said:
I would suggest that the age of consent be INCREASED rather than decreased. Whilst physically, young people may be maturing earlier - in my opinion, mentally they are maturing much later. Many youngsters of 18 today behave and act as if they were 12.
After all, it's SCIENCE FACT that making things which require no outlay, accessories or equipment (other than one's body) illegal is a sure-fire way of getting young people to stop doing them. We should enact such a law without delay! There are no possible unforeseen negative consequences whatsoever!

Also, I think your view of what constitutes appropriate behaviour for 18 and 12 years old may not be a widely held one.

MoelyCrio

2,130 posts

79 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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When he died, comments on this catholic website were asking why he wasn't lauded more, particularly for his work with children.

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/20...

Perhaps there was a conspiracy of silence about his faith - but not for the reasons the conspiratorists had in mind....

Mr Gearchange

4,953 posts

103 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Halb said:
Jesus wept - I thought that was purely a creation of South Park.
Even with that in mind I though it was close to the mark - even for SP.

But it's an actual organisation? Astounding.

Eric Mc

82,299 posts

162 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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CommanderJameson said:
Eric Mc said:
I would suggest that the age of consent be INCREASED rather than decreased. Whilst physically, young people may be maturing earlier - in my opinion, mentally they are maturing much later. Many youngsters of 18 today behave and act as if they were 12.
After all, it's SCIENCE FACT that making things which require no outlay, accessories or equipment (other than one's body) illegal is a sure-fire way of getting young people to stop doing them. We should enact such a law without delay! There are no possible unforeseen negative consequences whatsoever!

Also, I think your view of what constitutes appropriate behaviour for 18 and 12 years old may not be a widely held one.
It was a tongue in cheek comment - as I explained further down.

Eric Mc

82,299 posts

162 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Interesting to finally see someone else has highlighted the Catholic Connection.

It was a fundamental part of the man - for good or ill.

groak

3,254 posts

76 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Colonial said:
groak said:
We might as well face up to it....the place is crawling with paedos and fiddlers. Priests are at it.Teachers are at it. Cops are at it. Celebs are at it. Ordinary mums and dads are at it. And it's just a matter of time till one of them starts activisming for its acceptance and legalisation. Next thing you know, it's an offence to offend them.

Next (once kiddy fiddling's decriminalised) it's animals. Or is shagging/being shagged by animals already acceptable?
Ho hum. Tiresome troll is tiresome.
Just for you, Mister Naive, may I present:::::

http://izismile.com/2011/08/13/disturbing_10yearol...

...although, in fairness, Vogue HAS decided to ban paedo-piccies.....just now.

(TBH I wouldn't be unhappy if this post was deleted).

V8mate

37,387 posts

86 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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So should the thread be re-titled? Does the OP still wish Mr S to RIP?

telecat

7,397 posts

138 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Twincam16 said:
telecat said:
Managed to start getting into clubs when I was about 17 in the late seventies. Plenty of girls I saw in them that I knew were under 16 as I knew them from when I went to school! And they threw themselves at the DJ's or doormen, (who lets face it were older than the DJ's). They knew how to look older, knew how to circumvent their parents restrictions and were clearly out for various levels of a "good" time. Looking historically at this plenty of "stars" of that era could well be in trouble. Many of those have honours and many of those had the public clamouring to hoist the honours in them. Funny how some despite having no other redeeming features seem to be left alone. Still everybody loves a witch hunt.
I think there's a difference between letting someone into a club because someone flirted with you, and molesting them as 'payment' for having done so.
Who said they "Flirted" to be let in? They wanted to be there and convinced somebody that they were old enough. THEN they started flirting with those in the DJ booth behind the bar and running the door.

FourWheelDrift

64,433 posts

181 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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V8mate said:
So should the thread be re-titled? Does the OP still wish Mr S to RIP?
RIP - "Revealed, is Paedophile"?

Technically should be RWP then, as it's now "was".

Oakey

18,335 posts

113 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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groak said:
Just for you, Mister Naive, may I present:::::

http://izismile.com/2011/08/13/disturbing_10yearol...

...although, in fairness, Vogue HAS decided to ban paedo-piccies.....just now.

(TBH I wouldn't be unhappy if this post was deleted).
Lin said:
but there has been an international backlash against these highly sexualized images of a little girl
So, not quite as accepted as people make out?

Rude-boy

20,015 posts

130 months

Monday 8th October 2012
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Guam said:
Voight Kampff said:
All I say is kids are generally still in education till 16/18 so anyone of adult age should just leave them the fk alone! There may be some who are capable of 'throwing themselves' at older men but does not mean they are able to deal with the repercussions. They are still naive. Adult men should act honourably and respect this really ( key words respect and honour).
^^^^^^^^^
Completely agree!
As a 36 year old I totally agree.

As a 23 year old just leaving Uni I would not have thought twice about disappointing a seventeen year old girl all night long, 6th former or not!