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I'm not sure what an investigation will achieve, Saville can't be prosecuted, so all that will happen is few people who are household names will get tarnished because they didn't speak out, there'll be the usual frenzy on here about the BBC being involved, and the victims , no doubt, will get enough evidence to go for a bit of compo.
So in 18 months time we'll have spent many millions confirming the bloke everyone thought wasn't quite right really wasn't and there'll be no prosecutions and all the organisations involved will issue statements saying their childrens policies have been updated and they hope to learn from the past. 2 or 3 court cases for compo and in 3 years time it will all be forgotten.
So in 18 months time we'll have spent many millions confirming the bloke everyone thought wasn't quite right really wasn't and there'll be no prosecutions and all the organisations involved will issue statements saying their childrens policies have been updated and they hope to learn from the past. 2 or 3 court cases for compo and in 3 years time it will all be forgotten.
Eric Mc said:
It's not the victim of a crime who "takes someone to court". It's the authorities - usually through the Crown Prosecution Service. In order for that to happen, the police have to be certain that the case they are building against the individual would have enough substance for a court hearing to be appropriate.
Eric, you are generally right in the sense of a criminal prosecution. However, a victim can sue for damages in the civil courts where a much lower burden of proof is required. The fact the alleged perpetrator has died doesn't IIRC affect this as the claim can be made against their estate. An easy to understand example is where a dangerous drive causes a collision in which he is killed and the other party injured - who then sues for damages, paid by the deceased's insurance. Unless the deceased was still liable there would be no insurance payout.However, the big issue here is that any claims will be very old and rightly time barred after all these years. (....unless the victims are from Kenya. Don't get me started.)
OJ Simpson was famously "not guilty" of murder in the criminal court but "liable" for wrongful killing in the civil court. I know that's USA but UK position is the same.
eccles said:
I'm not sure what an investigation will achieve, Saville can't be prosecuted, so all that will happen is few people who are household names will get tarnished because they didn't speak out, there'll be the usual frenzy on here about the BBC being involved, and the victims , no doubt, will get enough evidence to go for a bit of compo.
So in 18 months time we'll have spent many millions confirming the bloke everyone thought wasn't quite right really wasn't and there'll be no prosecutions and all the organisations involved will issue statements saying their childrens policies have been updated and they hope to learn from the past. 2 or 3 court cases for compo and in 3 years time it will all be forgotten.
Just about sums it up. Remind of this in a year or two when millions have been spent/wasted on stating the bleeding obvious!So in 18 months time we'll have spent many millions confirming the bloke everyone thought wasn't quite right really wasn't and there'll be no prosecutions and all the organisations involved will issue statements saying their childrens policies have been updated and they hope to learn from the past. 2 or 3 court cases for compo and in 3 years time it will all be forgotten.
Ozzie Osmond said:
Eric, you are generally right in the sense of a criminal prosecution. However, a victim can sue for damages in the civil courts where a much lower burden of proof is required. The fact the alleged perpetrator has died doesn't IIRC affect this as the claim can be made against their estate. An easy to understand example is where a dangerous drive causes a collision in which he is killed and the other party injured - who then sues for damages, paid by the deceased's insurance. Unless the deceased was still liable there would be no insurance payout.
However, the big issue here is that any claims will be very old and rightly time barred after all these years. (....unless the victims are from Kenya. Don't get me started.)
OJ Simpson was famously "not guilty" of murder in the criminal court but "liable" for wrongful killing in the civil court. I know that's USA but UK position is the same.
I am aware of the difference between civil and criminal law.However, the big issue here is that any claims will be very old and rightly time barred after all these years. (....unless the victims are from Kenya. Don't get me started.)
OJ Simpson was famously "not guilty" of murder in the criminal court but "liable" for wrongful killing in the civil court. I know that's USA but UK position is the same.
We are talking about a criminal issue here. If the authorities and the institutions involved had the gumption back in the 70s to take Savile on back then, they might have put an end to his activities. But they weren't interested - indeed they almost seemed to tacitly support him. So the kids had nowhere to turn.
And I couldn't see a 14 year old girl commencing a civil action against him in 1974 - could you? In fact - people didn't challenge authority and power to any great extent at that time. People knew their place.
I am so glad they are speaking up now.
eccles said:
I'm not sure what an investigation will achieve, Saville can't be prosecuted, so all that will happen is few people who are household names will get tarnished because they didn't speak out, there'll be the usual frenzy on here about the BBC being involved, and the victims , no doubt, will get enough evidence to go for a bit of compo.
So in 18 months time we'll have spent many millions confirming the bloke everyone thought wasn't quite right really wasn't and there'll be no prosecutions and all the organisations involved will issue statements saying their childrens policies have been updated and they hope to learn from the past. 2 or 3 court cases for compo and in 3 years time it will all be forgotten.
It's not just Saville that will be investigated, hopefully those around him at the time will get their collars felt and anybody else that shared his possible taste in young girls.So in 18 months time we'll have spent many millions confirming the bloke everyone thought wasn't quite right really wasn't and there'll be no prosecutions and all the organisations involved will issue statements saying their childrens policies have been updated and they hope to learn from the past. 2 or 3 court cases for compo and in 3 years time it will all be forgotten.
Bedazzled said:
Eric Mc said:
And I couldn't see a 14 year old girl commencing a civil action against him in 1974 - could you? In fact - people didn't challenge authority and power to any great extent at that time. People knew their place.
...why didn't they pursue this as adults when he was still around to answer the charges and/or defend himself? Bedazzled said:
Yes, but a lot of time has passed between 1974 and now; why didn't they pursue this as adults when he was still around to answer the charges and/or defend himself? I think the answer lies in what the QC actually said on the programme, if you listen to it carefully. I'm in two minds about the process and agenda, but if it brings others to justice the end justifies the means...?
Some did? Surrey, Sussex and Jersey police received complaints."My Generation: The Glory Years of British Rock’ features a collection of iconic images from behind the scenes of iconic BBC show Top of the Pops from 1964-1973 by resident photographer Harry Goodwin - a good friend of Jimmy Savile for over 50 years."
http://www.thepublic.com/exhibitions/sir-jimmy-sav...
I wonder if the authorities would be interested to see his personal archive? (if he has one 
)
http://www.thepublic.com/exhibitions/sir-jimmy-sav...
I wonder if the authorities would be interested to see his personal archive? (if he has one ) Sheets Tabuer said:
Mail are going after john peel.
Seems everyone from the 70s is getting a prod.
Better if they went after Toothy Blackburn and Master Simon Bates.Seems everyone from the 70s is getting a prod.
Not because of their sexual predilections, you understand... they were just s
t on the wireless.But there again, who knows?
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