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ks no?Eric Mc said:
At various times over its history, TOTP has used teenage "plants" in the main audience to get the kids dancing, excited etc. They weren't formal dancers in the sense that they didn't perform as part of a troupe (Pan's People, Legs & Co, Zoo etc) but they were hired in and were regular attendees - so were not normal audience.
Eric - I don't put you down as somebody who espouses secondary research and then publiclyquotes it on this forum; so I have to ask, do you **know** this for a fact?
This debate is geting very existential.
Define "know".
90% of what I "know" I have learned through reading, studying and NOT from direct experience.
Are you suggesting that the only knowledge allowed is that garnered from actual experience.
If that is the case, most people know nothing about anything.
And it is a fact that not everybody present in a Top of the Pops studio was 16 or over.
Define "know".
90% of what I "know" I have learned through reading, studying and NOT from direct experience.
Are you suggesting that the only knowledge allowed is that garnered from actual experience.
If that is the case, most people know nothing about anything.
And it is a fact that not everybody present in a Top of the Pops studio was 16 or over.
Oakey said:
And where does abusing underage girls fit in on your scale of evil?
I don't have a scale of evil. What an odd turn of phrase. Surely it is obvious that crimes differ in severity, circumstances surrounding the crime, intent etc etc.
In terms of abusing underage girs. I don't know. Robert Black at one end of the scale, Bill Wyman at the other.
As I said before. Judge this in the context of what was acceptable then. Not now.
Robert Black, probably one of the most evil men there is. He set out to rape and muder young girls. A 1970s DJ (Not JS for the sake of argument) is in a world where groupies surround him and want to be with him. Sexual stuff taies place, the victim in the case of the suicide girl claims to have done this on several occasions. It doesn't make what allegedly happened right, but there sure is a big difference between the two.
MrMoonyMan said:
Ref the 'young girl' allegations I can say that I am not in the least bit surprised from my one and only encounter with him.
Not at work now so I'll add to this;In '98 I was 15 (Could have been '99 and 16.. but around there). I used to visit my elderly aunt near Fort William in Scotland making use of the over night train.
As she was bidding me good bye one day Jimmy Saville appeared and some how we struck up conversation as we were waiting for the train to leave. I remember him saying to my aunt "ooh is that your sister" to which my aunt immediately told him to "not be so silly" as she was never one to suffer fools gladly. Amuses me now to think of it.
Anyway, later that evening I'm sitting in the dinning carriage and have spotted a cute girl of my age also travelling alone. Before I had a chance to began my awkward teenage advances towards her table Jimmy appears. Helps himself to a seat and begins conversation. Soon after champagne in a bucket is brought over and then a little later after that they both left in the direction of the sleeping carriages. I remember at the time feeling that there was something very wrong with what had happened and the way he had behaved towards this girl but unsure if I should have said / done anything.
This girl looked to be 15/16 like myself (poss younger but not much) and he would have been 72/73.. Bit grim really.
Shaolin said:
The fact he never married or even had a partner for long implies that it was an obsession that didn't wane like it seems to have with others as they grew up a bit more, got married etc.
Why does it imply that?Whilst I can't refute the evidence against Jimmy Savile, I also think it's a very sad aspect of modern society that anyone who's never married or is deemed a bit of a 'funny bugger', is often first on the list of suspects in any high profile sex crime.
We've seen peoples lives ruined by the media in recent cases (Robert Murat & Joanna Yates' landlord spring to mind).
I don't want to see a witch hunt against oddball celebrities.
Otherwise who's next? Patrick Moore?*
*Obviously a ridiculous example to make a point.
Elderly said:
Eric Mc said:
At various times over its history, TOTP has used teenage "plants" in the main audience to get the kids dancing, excited etc. They weren't formal dancers in the sense that they didn't perform as part of a troupe (Pan's People, Legs & Co, Zoo etc) but they were hired in and were regular attendees - so were not normal audience.
Eric - I don't put you down as somebody who espouses secondary research and then publiclyquotes it on this forum; so I have to ask, do you **know** this for a fact?
Anyone else hear Liz Kershaw's revelations on R4's Today Programme this morning?
Having to put up with having her breasts groped whilst 'on air' in 1987 and being asked whether she was a lesbian when she tried to complain. T'wasn't Savile with the hands either... the revelations are only going to become more embarrassing for the Beeb over the coming weeks methinks.
Having to put up with having her breasts groped whilst 'on air' in 1987 and being asked whether she was a lesbian when she tried to complain. T'wasn't Savile with the hands either... the revelations are only going to become more embarrassing for the Beeb over the coming weeks methinks.
Evil Jack said:
Shaolin said:
The fact he never married or even had a partner for long implies that it was an obsession that didn't wane like it seems to have with others as they grew up a bit more, got married etc.
Why does it imply that?Whilst I can't refute the evidence against Jimmy Savile, I also think it's a very sad aspect of modern society that anyone who's never married or is deemed a bit of a 'funny bugger', is often first on the list of suspects in any high profile sex crime.
We've seen peoples lives ruined by the media in recent cases (Robert Murat & Joanna Yates' landlord spring to mind).
I don't want to see a witch hunt against oddball celebrities.
Otherwise who's next? Patrick Moore?*
*Obviously a ridiculous example to make a point.
Oakey said:
I'm not sure this was ever really acceptable back then, well, apart from amongst other kiddy fiddlers perhaps.
Don't know if you have read the whole thread. It was talked about earlier. Charlotte Church and her developing breasts, a tabloid counting down the days to when a 15 year old turned 16 so they could show her tits.Elvis and his child bride etc etc.
There was lots of stuff, domestic voilence, casual racism, sexism, drink driving, smoking....
Have a read if you haven't. It mught put what I said in context
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