The Duggan Gun?
Discussion
I wouldn't bother replying to System. It's clearly beyond him to engage in any constructive debate about the subject matter he clearly knows nothing about. People like him go in at an abusive level, generally, because they lack the intelligence to express themselves and control their emotions.
SystemParanoia said:
the fact that they always close ranks with each other and ensure they they always get away scot free with their mistakes.
it doesn't seem to matter about the families they destroy in the process.
If you can name a single aspect of public service that doesn't circle the waggons at the first sign of trouble, I'll be amazed.it doesn't seem to matter about the families they destroy in the process.
That said, Duggan is no loss, and most of the police I know are certainly neither murderers nor scum.
If you carry a gun you raise the stakes. When you lose, due to a mistake or a deliberate act, you pay a higher price.
La Liga said:
I wouldn't bother replying to System. It's clearly beyond him to engage in any constructive debate about the subject matter he clearly knows nothing about. People like him go in at an abusive level, generally, because they lack the intelligence to express themselves and control their emotions.
all i need to know is that an unarmed man was gunned down in the street by those that are supposed to be protecting us.as my skin colour is very similar to his, yes i have very good reason to be concerned about how this can affect me; especially as now the police know that they can get away with anything that they may do to me.. even with video evidence ffs.
i do NOT feel safe being protected by these people.
i bet you've never been stopped and searched for no good reason have you?
had your pockets emptied and questioned about everything you have on you as if youre some gutter sucking criminal have you?
how about being pulled over endlessly as you have the down right cheek to work a night job and car share with colleagues to help everyone's life become just a little better?
oh yeah right, i have no reason to feel like should have any reason to not want to kneel down and suck on whatever give me to.
birdcage said:
that is essentially redundant anyway given the situation and what could have happened if he did have a gun based on the available intelligence.
So we can just kill people on what if's? and presumptions now then?how about I shoot you? I presume you have a gun.. therefore you life is forfeit
...see how stupid that sounds?
SystemParanoia said:
the fact that they always close ranks with each other and ensure they they always get away scot free with their mistakes.
[b]it doesn't seem to matter about the families they destroy in the process.[b]
Quite right. It's a shame the gun-wielding gimps who proliferate the gangs & their wholesome activities don't share the same view. [b]it doesn't seem to matter about the families they destroy in the process.[b]
SystemParanoia said:
all i need to know is that an unarmed man was gunned down in the street by those that are supposed to be protecting us.
They were protecting the public by dealing with an armed threat. The HRA requires absolute necessity to use lethal force. The jury WHO HEARD ALL THE EVIDENCE concluded the police actions conformed with our criminal law, which apply to everyone. If you've had bad experiences with the police then that's unfortunate.
However it's irrelevant to you making foolish, uninformed and unjust comments about this case, other than probably being the source of your bias.
Smiler. said:
Quite right. It's a shame the gun-wielding gimps who proliferate the gangs & their wholesome activities don't share the same view.
Im not saying i would have been friends with him.. or even tolerated being on the same street as him for any longer than it took for me to leave said street.but if he's a murderer.. convict him as such.
if he has a gun, convict him for that offence.
but no.. its much easier to just gun a man down in the street who has made no aggressive moves and was in the middle of surrendering to those that wished to do him lethal harm
They managed to put the two killers of Drummer Lee Rigby through the courts. Shame they couldn't have done it for Duggan too.
I'm not sure if those two chaps, who didn't think to get a replica firearm so they could both stand a chance of martyrdom via suicide by cop, are any more scummy than the organised criminals that supply drugs.
I'm not sure if those two chaps, who didn't think to get a replica firearm so they could both stand a chance of martyrdom via suicide by cop, are any more scummy than the organised criminals that supply drugs.
When I was young I got at least 2 or 3 7 day wonders on my moped a night and usually got a search thrown in I'm not coloured or from another country
But I used to ride/drive around the town centre all night and generally hung about street corners nothing changed until my mum complained to the local station commander, I have been arrested several times for being court up in other peoples s
t in the past, but I don't hate the police they carry out a difficult job that nobody is ever going to thank them for
If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about.
But I used to ride/drive around the town centre all night and generally hung about street corners nothing changed until my mum complained to the local station commander, I have been arrested several times for being court up in other peoples s
t in the past, but I don't hate the police they carry out a difficult job that nobody is ever going to thank them for If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about.
Edited by loose cannon on Wednesday 8th January 19:35
SystemParanoia said:
i bet you've never been stopped and searched for no good reason have you?
Get with the programme.They were specifically following a known criminal and gangster who they knew had just collected - and still had with him - an illegal firearm.
Should they have given him a community service medal or something?
SystemParanoia said:
birdcage said:
that is essentially redundant anyway given the situation and what could have happened if he did have a gun based on the available intelligence.
So we can just kill people on what if's? and presumptions now then?how about I shoot you? I presume you have a gun.. therefore you life is forfeit
...see how stupid that sounds?
If I was carrying a table leg and essentially going about my business my family would hopefully be seeking 'justice' from the police if you shot me, if you were a serving firearms officer of course
SystemParanoia said:
So we can just kill people on what if's? and presumptions now then?
how about I shoot you? I presume you have a gun.. therefore you life is forfeit
...see how stupid that sounds?
No, you can kill people if you do so within our legal framework. Just as you can use any degree of force if it conforms to the law. how about I shoot you? I presume you have a gun.. therefore you life is forfeit
...see how stupid that sounds?
I'm not going to spend time explaining the law to you, but if you're interested do some Google work and you may get a greater understanding of the area you're commenting on, as it currently appears you don't know anything about it.
La Liga said:
SystemParanoia said:
So we can just kill people on what if's? and presumptions now then?
how about I shoot you? I presume you have a gun.. therefore you life is forfeit
...see how stupid that sounds?
No, you can kill people if you do so within our legal framework. Just as you can use any degree of force if it conforms to the law. how about I shoot you? I presume you have a gun.. therefore you life is forfeit
...see how stupid that sounds?
I'm not going to spend time explaining the law to you, but if you're interested do some Google work and you may get a greater understanding of the area you're commenting on, as it currently appears you don't know anything about it.
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