The Duggan Gun?

[anonymous-user]

In other words, in this context 10,000 ish means fk off. 99,000 ish could mean OK we screwed up, or it could still mean we disagree but all things considered we CBA.

[Digga]

Breadvan72 said:

In other words, in this context 10,000 ish means fk off. 99,000 ish could mean OK we screwed up, or it could still mean we disagree but all things considered we CBA.

fk off as in by taking the money the family are now legally bound to drop the case, I take it?

[Earthdweller]

Breadvan72 said:

In other words, in this context 10,000 ish means fk off. 99,000 ish could mean OK we screwed up, or it could still mean we disagree but all things considered we CBA.

I worked at Tottenham as a PC, DC and Sgt over about a 15 year period ( not continually) b’stards kept posting me there

In that period there was a marked shift from people using the complaints process to civil actions

I know that if the amount of damages being claimed was low then the Met Solicitors just payed out as it was cheaper than defending

It was something that really riled the frontline cops whose view was fk the cost we’ve done nothing wrong

I still think that vigorous defence of a few cases with costs awarded against the litigants would be better in the long term

[Pinoyuk]

Someone shortly after this event .Showed Duggans criminal record and a little bit more via the net .It was taken down sharpish. Made very good reading . Many of us would have pulled the trigger given the chance .

[PurpleTurtle]

The Met's annual budget is £3.2 billion. Even if this criminal's family have banked £99,999 it's a gnat's fart in the universe.

I'm sure it'll get wasted within a couple of years, so they'll be no better off long-term.

Meanwhile the streets of London will have one fewer drug dealers running around town in minicabs like it's the Wild West, so all's well that ends well.

[anonymous-user]

Digga said:

Breadvan72 said:

In other words, in this context 10,000 ish means fk off. 99,000 ish could mean OK we screwed up, or it could still mean we disagree but all things considered we CBA.

fk off as in by taking the money the family are now legally bound to drop the case, I take it?

Yes.

[Fatball]

They’ll have that money pissed up the wall in a month. Or invest heavily in their business.

[andymc]

Fatball said:

They’ll have that money pissed up the wall in a month. Or invest heavily in their business.

yup crack. it's what he would have wanted

[98elise]

Pinoyuk said:

Someone shortly after this event .Showed Duggans criminal record and a little bit more via the net .It was taken down sharpish. Made very good reading . Many of us would have pulled the trigger given the chance .

Perhaps the compensation could go to the victims of his crimes?

I won't hold my breath.

[XCP]

Earthdweller said:

I worked at Tottenham as a PC, DC and Sgt over about a 15 year period ( not continually) b’stards kept posting me there

In that period there was a marked shift from people using the complaints process to civil actions

I know that if the amount of damages being claimed was low then the Met Solicitors just payed out as it was cheaper than defending

It was something that really riled the frontline cops whose view was fk the cost we’ve done nothing wrong

I still think that vigorous defence of a few cases with costs awarded against the litigants would be better in the long term

The same policy applies everywhere. It's cheaper to pay a bit of fk off money than bother contesting a lot of cases. Used to annoy me a bit, but in the end you just shrug your shoulders and carry on. Plenty of things used to go on that would get to you, if you let them.

[Greendubber]

XCP said:

Earthdweller said:

I worked at Tottenham as a PC, DC and Sgt over about a 15 year period ( not continually) b’stards kept posting me there

In that period there was a marked shift from people using the complaints process to civil actions

I know that if the amount of damages being claimed was low then the Met Solicitors just payed out as it was cheaper than defending

It was something that really riled the frontline cops whose view was fk the cost we’ve done nothing wrong

I still think that vigorous defence of a few cases with costs awarded against the litigants would be better in the long term

The same policy applies everywhere. It's cheaper to pay a bit of fk off money than bother contesting a lot of cases. Used to annoy me a bit, but in the end you just shrug your shoulders and carry on. Plenty of things used to go on that would get to you, if you let them.

Yep.

[oddman]

Greendubber said:

XCP said:

Earthdweller said:

I worked at Tottenham as a PC, DC and Sgt over about a 15 year period ( not continually) b’stards kept posting me there

In that period there was a marked shift from people using the complaints process to civil actions

I know that if the amount of damages being claimed was low then the Met Solicitors just payed out as it was cheaper than defending

It was something that really riled the frontline cops whose view was fk the cost we’ve done nothing wrong

I still think that vigorous defence of a few cases with costs awarded against the litigants would be better in the long term

The same policy applies everywhere. It's cheaper to pay a bit of fk off money than bother contesting a lot of cases. Used to annoy me a bit, but in the end you just shrug your shoulders and carry on. Plenty of things used to go on that would get to you, if you let them.

Yep.

NHS too

Other way of looking at it is £10k is all his family think he was worth

[XCP]

I daresay.

I used to console myself with the thought that the good guys always win in the end.

Criminals either die, reform or end up inside..

Duggan chose option 1.

[anonymous-user]

NB we do not know if it was 10k. It might have been anything from 10k to 99k. I suspect closer to 10 than 99 but I am just speculating and may be way wrong. As noted above, even 99 would be cheaper than a trial against people with no visible money to enforce a costs order against.

[Earthdweller]

Breadvan72 said:

NB we do not know if it was 10k. It might have been anything from 10k to 99k. I suspect closer to 10 than 99 but I am just speculating and may be way wrong. As noted above, even 99 would be cheaper than a trial against people with no visible money to enforce a costs order against.

Even about 15 years ago it cost more than £10k just to open a case so a claim for anything less than that was pretty much an automatic payout

I was once mentioned in six areas of a multiple civil case where one of the allegations was that I had farted rather loudly ( and wiffily ) in a Police carrier in front of the complainant

That case was settled out of court

[XCP]

I got served papers for allegedly serving a pork sausage to a Muslim.

[Derek Smith]

Earthdweller said:

I worked at Tottenham as a PC, DC and Sgt over about a 15 year period ( not continually) b’stards kept posting me there

In that period there was a marked shift from people using the complaints process to civil actions

I know that if the amount of damages being claimed was low then the Met Solicitors just payed out as it was cheaper than defending

It was something that really riled the frontline cops whose view was fk the cost we’ve done nothing wrong

I still think that vigorous defence of a few cases with costs awarded against the litigants would be better in the long term

Two of my lads saw a burglar who was both wanted on warrant, and on a curfew. He was chased into his home (lived with his mother).

The door was slammed in their face. They asked for permission to break in - granted. They did minor damage to the wooden frame on the slam side, just pushing out two screws and a splinter of wood. They ran up the stairs in their DMs and caught the nasty bit of work in his bedroom. His mother assaulted the two uniformed police officers with a pan. Arrest completed, I got SOCO, who were in the area, to take a snap of the damage.

They put in a claim for replacement for the door frame and a new lock, plus damage to the flooring on a small landing.

I submitted the photos.

CPS refused to charge the mother with assault police. 'No serious injury'. I pointed out that had there been, I would be expecting them to reduce an ABH to common assault. Still, it was expected.

The job paid the claim, but not in full. The charge for the replacement doorframe was ridiculous. An estimate from a builder was around 15% of that charged. I took it further, and the reality of civil actions was explained to me. I forget the precise figures, but I was told that if they won 50% of the cases it would cost the police a great deal more than paying out at the level they did. I pointed out that they had evidence of minor damage. Not enough, it would appear. His fine was less than the money we paid out.

On a more positive note, some time later the lad was arrested for failing to appear yet again, but this time the lads, this time in civies, nicked him on warrant when he was off to football, it being just after midday. He'd just got up, but it was too late for the court to release him. He missed his match. He was kept in until Monday court. His brief, a nasty bit of work, accused me of organising the arrest at a time I knew that he could not go to court. I said that there was no way we were going to break into his house again as we couldn't afford it.

The brief complained about the oppressive nature of the arrest. I was interviewed, but nothing came of it. But more money wasted.

[Greendubber]

XCP said:

I got served papers for allegedly serving a pork sausage to a Muslim.

We all know there's no meat in a custody sausages so I presume no case to answer?

[Derek Smith]

XCP said:

I got served papers for allegedly serving a pork sausage to a Muslim.

My cousin had a complaint upheld for asking a Jewish cabbie for his christian name. He reckoned it helped him a bit in getting the posting he wanted as it became something of a cause célèbre, with a fair bit of publicity,with an apology from a Jewish group, and he got his name noticed. This was north west London, way out in the suburbs. It got him posted to Streatham (I think, LS division), which was his dream, but he had three CICB claims in one year, the final one all but blinding him in his right eye.

[Earthdweller]

Derek Smith said:

My cousin had a complaint upheld for asking a Jewish cabbie for his christian name. He reckoned it helped him a bit in getting the posting he wanted as it became something of a cause célèbre, with a fair bit of publicity,with an apology from a Jewish group, and he got his name noticed. This was north west London, way out in the suburbs. It got him posted to Streatham (I think, LS division), which was his dream, but he had three CICB claims in one year, the final one all but blinding him in his right eye.

It was quite believable till you said his dream was to get posted to the L District

Of the 26 Districts (as was) the L was right up there with the Y,G,Q,M and a couple of other choice places to avoid