Political bias at BBC - something has to be done surely
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TTwiggy said:
0000 said:
TTwiggy said:
Your use of the word 'confessions' is telling.
Of your own bias in reading his post. 
. Which is sort of my point.I think the BBC bias thing gets overdone and plenty exaggerate based on their own bias.
limpsfield said:
I've worked with loads of journalists over the years, inc the BBC, and as a group they are,on the whole, left leaning. Maybe the leftist are those who write for the FT.
I think the BBC bias thing gets overdone and plenty exaggerate based on their own bias.
My emphasis.I think the BBC bias thing gets overdone and plenty exaggerate based on their own bias.
When you say "their", do you mean those working at the BBC or those criticizing the BBC? I assume you mean the later and are choosing to ignore the former. In your own words journalists at the BBC on the whole are left leaning and hence will introduce bias.
I think it's naive to think left leaning journalists can produce neutral output and yet commentators (from either side) will be biased based on their own beliefs. Journalists are not inherently better at being more neutral than the average person. I would actually argue the opposite, that most journalists do the job because they want to get their view point across.
The only way to solve the bias in the BBC is through a radically different recruitment process.
alock said:
My emphasis.
When you say "their", do you mean those working at the BBC or those criticizing the BBC? I assume you mean the later and are choosing to ignore the former. In your own words journalists at the BBC on the whole are left leaning and hence will introduce bias.
I think it's naive to think left leaning journalists can produce neutral output and yet commentators (from either side) will be biased based on their own beliefs. Journalists are not inherently better at being more neutral than the average person. I would actually argue the opposite, that most journalists do the job because they want to get their view point across.
The only way to solve the bias in the BBC is through a radically different recruitment process.
When you say "their", do you mean those working at the BBC or those criticizing the BBC? I assume you mean the later and are choosing to ignore the former. In your own words journalists at the BBC on the whole are left leaning and hence will introduce bias.
I think it's naive to think left leaning journalists can produce neutral output and yet commentators (from either side) will be biased based on their own beliefs. Journalists are not inherently better at being more neutral than the average person. I would actually argue the opposite, that most journalists do the job because they want to get their view point across.
The only way to solve the bias in the BBC is through a radically different recruitment process.
There's probably a management speak work for it, but to give an example my strife works with artists, I have never, ever met an artist who wasn't left or very left wing, so when they are together as a group what they would consider to be a central ground position on something is infact to the left. I suspect it's the same at the BBC they genuinely believe they are being impartial even though they are always to the left of the views of at least half of the general public.
Timmy40 said:
alock said:
My emphasis.
When you say "their", do you mean those working at the BBC or those criticizing the BBC? I assume you mean the later and are choosing to ignore the former. In your own words journalists at the BBC on the whole are left leaning and hence will introduce bias.
I think it's naive to think left leaning journalists can produce neutral output and yet commentators (from either side) will be biased based on their own beliefs. Journalists are not inherently better at being more neutral than the average person. I would actually argue the opposite, that most journalists do the job because they want to get their view point across.
The only way to solve the bias in the BBC is through a radically different recruitment process.
When you say "their", do you mean those working at the BBC or those criticizing the BBC? I assume you mean the later and are choosing to ignore the former. In your own words journalists at the BBC on the whole are left leaning and hence will introduce bias.
I think it's naive to think left leaning journalists can produce neutral output and yet commentators (from either side) will be biased based on their own beliefs. Journalists are not inherently better at being more neutral than the average person. I would actually argue the opposite, that most journalists do the job because they want to get their view point across.
The only way to solve the bias in the BBC is through a radically different recruitment process.
There's probably a management speak work for it, but to give an example my strife works with artists, I have never, ever met an artist who wasn't left or very left wing, so when they are together as a group what they would consider to be a central ground position on something is infact to the left. I suspect it's the same at the BBC they genuinely believe they are being impartial even though they are always to the left of the views of at least half of the general public.
alock said:
My emphasis.
When you say "their", do you mean those working at the BBC or those criticizing the BBC? I assume you mean the later and are choosing to ignore the former. In your own words journalists at the BBC on the whole are left leaning and hence will introduce bias.
I think it's naive to think left leaning journalists can produce neutral output and yet commentators (from either side) will be biased based on their own beliefs. Journalists are not inherently better at being more neutral than the average person. I would actually argue the opposite, that most journalists do the job because they want to get their view point across.
The only way to solve the bias in the BBC is through a radically different recruitment process.
My point was the majority of journos have a left leaning bias. Those criticising the Beeb, based on the sort of stuff I see on here, over egg the pudding based on their own (ie the person doing the criticising) bias.When you say "their", do you mean those working at the BBC or those criticizing the BBC? I assume you mean the later and are choosing to ignore the former. In your own words journalists at the BBC on the whole are left leaning and hence will introduce bias.
I think it's naive to think left leaning journalists can produce neutral output and yet commentators (from either side) will be biased based on their own beliefs. Journalists are not inherently better at being more neutral than the average person. I would actually argue the opposite, that most journalists do the job because they want to get their view point across.
The only way to solve the bias in the BBC is through a radically different recruitment process.
I don't think you will eradicate a left wing bias amongst journos. It doesn't pay enough to attract loads of right wing capitalists and is an industry that is past its heyday, somewhat unfortunately I think. Too much journalism these days is of the variety "10 things you didn't know about..." etc which must be demoralising for all involved.
Timmy40 said:
Anyone else notice that the BBC have replaced the term 'Immigration' with 'Net Migration'.
It the kind of playing with words/labels that supermarkets are often criticised for.
Still lots of mentions It the kind of playing with words/labels that supermarkets are often criticised for.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/search?q=immigration&filt...
I am no lefty journo-loving pinko but that bias I mentioned above means we rarely get a sensible discussion about this sort of thing.
I suggest "net migration" was used in today's article because that is the phrase the government has been banging on about.
A more lefty spin in the Guardian I think
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/25/net...
Net migration to UK falls for first time in almost two years
Edited by limpsfield on Thursday 25th February 15:11
London424 said:
Anyone see any coverage of the Tony Blackburn stuff or Dame Janet Smith report?
Nothing on Newsnight last night and nothing on the breakfast news that I caught this morning.
Can't think why!
I think I am in a parallel universe. I watched it last night. What's the first topic here. Nothing on Newsnight last night and nothing on the breakfast news that I caught this morning.
Can't think why!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b071z4yb/news...
limpsfield said:
London424 said:
Anyone see any coverage of the Tony Blackburn stuff or Dame Janet Smith report?
Nothing on Newsnight last night and nothing on the breakfast news that I caught this morning.
Can't think why!
I think I am in a parallel universe. I watched it last night. What's the first topic here. Nothing on Newsnight last night and nothing on the breakfast news that I caught this morning.
Can't think why!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b071z4yb/news...
Europa1 said:
limpsfield said:
London424 said:
Anyone see any coverage of the Tony Blackburn stuff or Dame Janet Smith report?
Nothing on Newsnight last night and nothing on the breakfast news that I caught this morning.
Can't think why!
I think I am in a parallel universe. I watched it last night. What's the first topic here. Nothing on Newsnight last night and nothing on the breakfast news that I caught this morning.
Can't think why!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b071z4yb/news...
My apologies then.
ETA: Was a comment from Evan Davis - 'The BBC didn't want to put anyone up for this programme'.
Now the bbc are being accused of misogyny because of the position on the sofa male presenters occupy. Something has to be done about this, surely.
Something has to be done about this, surely.guardian said:
Miriam O’Reilly has blamed “deep-rooted misogyny in newsrooms” for the way male presenters are nearly always seated in the position considered most senior on the left.
Her comments follow the row over the BBC’s decision to put a younger, less experienced man on the left-hand side of Louise Minchin on the BBC Breakfast sofa. The left-hand slot, previously filled by veteran presenter Bill Turnbull, is typically known as “presenter one” by TV producers and is often filled by the most senior member of a presenting duo.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/mar/16/bbc-breakfast-countryfile-louise-minchin-sofa-dan-walkerHer comments follow the row over the BBC’s decision to put a younger, less experienced man on the left-hand side of Louise Minchin on the BBC Breakfast sofa. The left-hand slot, previously filled by veteran presenter Bill Turnbull, is typically known as “presenter one” by TV producers and is often filled by the most senior member of a presenting duo.
BlackLabel said:
Quality journalism by the Daily Fail - the male presenter is actually sat on the right of the sofa.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff