Political bias at BBC - something has to be done surely
Discussion
Lucas CAV said:
Can anyone name an unbiased news source that the BBC must presumably aspire to?
Irrelevant as other news sources aren't required to be impartial and rarely are.Also in terms of the most recent group smear against NP&E posters, by people posting in NP&E
the irony is double.According to the (daft) logic being applied to the evident BBC’s bias, NP&E is centralist.
Any perception of right-wing bias must be purely down to the socialist tendencies of a few left-wing PHers who see it that way purely because of their own politics.
It’s nothing to do with the fact that a lot of people on here saw through the empty promises and catalogue of failure from leftism long ago.
The inconsistency of what passes for ‘reasoning’ from beeb apologists is hilarious.
Lucas CAV said:
Can anyone name an unbiased news source that the BBC must presumably aspire to?
Perhaps Russia Today? 
https://www.rt.com/uk/342059-elections-labour-gain...
MrBarry123 said:
It's really quite sad that one of the brightest and most intelligent political commentators we have reporting to us is criticised unfairly in that way.
Quite, I think she's ace. But maybe I like what she says and perhaps there is bias that satisfies my views? Either way she won't get fired.
Gogoplata said:
Indeed, after watching a lot of coverage, it was amusing/despairing to see Labour MPs/muppets sticking to the hidden agenda. But it seems for now, the knives have been re-sheathed."Corbyn’s internal opponents have been quick to use the election results as a stick to beat him, though the 4 percent increase went unmentioned.
Backbencher Neil Coyle told the Telegraph his leader’s “fixation” on “peripheral” issues like Trident nuclear weapons is moving Labour “away from government.”
turbobloke said:
Lucas CAV said:
Can anyone name an unbiased news source that the BBC must presumably aspire to?
Irrelevant as other news sources aren't required to be impartial and rarely are.Also in terms of the most recent group smear against NP&E posters, by people posting in NP&E
the irony is double.According to the (daft) logic being applied to the evident BBC’s bias, NP&E is centralist.
Any perception of right-wing bias must be purely down to the socialist tendencies of a few left-wing PHers who see it that way purely because of their own politics.
It’s nothing to do with the fact that a lot of people on here saw through the empty promises and catalogue of failure from leftism long ago.
The inconsistency of what passes for ‘reasoning’ from beeb apologists is hilarious.
Anyway - I would be interested to see what a "bias-free" BBC could look like.
In fact I'd be interested to know what any bias free news show or website would look like -
Presumably just a list of facts?
Lucas CAV said:
turbobloke said:
Lucas CAV said:
Can anyone name an unbiased news source that the BBC must presumably aspire to?
Irrelevant as other news sources aren't required to be impartial and rarely are.Also in terms of the most recent group smear against NP&E posters, by people posting in NP&E
the irony is double.According to the (daft) logic being applied to the evident BBC’s bias, NP&E is centralist.
Any perception of right-wing bias must be purely down to the socialist tendencies of a few left-wing PHers who see it that way purely because of their own politics.
It’s nothing to do with the fact that a lot of people on here saw through the empty promises and catalogue of failure from leftism long ago.
The inconsistency of what passes for ‘reasoning’ from beeb apologists is hilarious.
Lucas CAV said:
Anyway - I would be interested to see what a "bias-free" BBC could look like.
It would not be a BBC where a presenter on a flagship radio prog discusses an election on air with a senior Labour politician using the word "we".It would not be a BBC where TV newsreaders are frequently given a copy of The Guardian after asking a producer for guidance on a story.
It would not be a BBC where their website advice on how to vote has a pencil tip hovering over the box for Labour on a ballot paper.
It would not be a BBC where bad news for Labour is kept off the lead positions in news bulletins or ignored altogether and where items casting doubt on Labour policy where real concerns exist are ignored for years followed by an apology when it's too late.
It would not be a BBC where in-house correspondents and editors are seen in front of a camera spouting opinion presented as fact, often unchallenged.
It would not be a BBC where people in senior roles are Labour donors not just members and where key people change roles across the organisations regularly.
It would not be a BBC where a local government Labour Party election candidate is placed in a decision making role dealing with complaints of pro-Labour bias in election coverage.
It would not be a BBC where left-wing perspectives are present in output beyond the same bias as seen in news and current affairs.
It would not be a BBC where the website summary of a story about intelligence top brass warning against Brexit fails to point out that one of their ilk has already said it would not harm UK security.
At least commercial radio news got that last one right in the same 10 second read-out. Details of the rest - and a lot more - are elsewhere in this thread and other BBC threads.
turbobloke said:
Lucas CAV said:
turbobloke said:
Lucas CAV said:
Can anyone name an unbiased news source that the BBC must presumably aspire to?
Irrelevant as other news sources aren't required to be impartial and rarely are.Also in terms of the most recent group smear against NP&E posters, by people posting in NP&E
the irony is double.According to the (daft) logic being applied to the evident BBC’s bias, NP&E is centralist.
Any perception of right-wing bias must be purely down to the socialist tendencies of a few left-wing PHers who see it that way purely because of their own politics.
It’s nothing to do with the fact that a lot of people on here saw through the empty promises and catalogue of failure from leftism long ago.
The inconsistency of what passes for ‘reasoning’ from beeb apologists is hilarious.
Lucas CAV said:
Anyway - I would be interested to see what a "bias-free" BBC could look like.
It would not be a BBC where a presenter on a flagship radio prog discusses an election on air with a senior Labour politician using the word "we".It would not be a BBC where TV newsreaders are frequently given a copy of The Guardian after asking a producer for guidance on a story.
It would not be a BBC where their website advice on how to vote has a pencil tip hovering over the box for Labour on a ballot paper.
It would not be a BBC where bad news for Labour is kept off the lead positions in news bulletins or ignored altogether and where items casting doubt on Labour policy where real concerns exist are ignored for years followed by an apology when it's too late.
It would not be a BBC where in-house correspondents and editors are seen in front of a camera spouting opinion presented as fact, often unchallenged.
It would not be a BBC where people in senior roles are Labour donors not just members and where key people change roles across the organisations regularly.
It would not be a BBC where a local government Labour Party election candidate is placed in a decision making role dealing with complaints of pro-Labour bias in election coverage.
It would not be a BBC where left-wing perspectives are present in output beyond the same bias as seen in news and current affairs.
It would not be a BBC where the website summary of a story about intelligence top brass warning against Brexit fails to point out that one of their ilk has already said it would not harm UK security.
At least commercial radio news got that last one right in the same 10 second read-out. Details of the rest - and a lot more - are elsewhere in this thread and other BBC threads.
Would a right wing broadcaster / journalist / advocate join a state-funded media organisation?
Lucas CAV said:
turbobloke said:
Lucas CAV said:
turbobloke said:
Lucas CAV said:
Can anyone name an unbiased news source that the BBC must presumably aspire to?
Irrelevant as other news sources aren't required to be impartial and rarely are.Also in terms of the most recent group smear against NP&E posters, by people posting in NP&E
the irony is double.According to the (daft) logic being applied to the evident BBC’s bias, NP&E is centralist.
Any perception of right-wing bias must be purely down to the socialist tendencies of a few left-wing PHers who see it that way purely because of their own politics.
It’s nothing to do with the fact that a lot of people on here saw through the empty promises and catalogue of failure from leftism long ago.
The inconsistency of what passes for ‘reasoning’ from beeb apologists is hilarious.
Lucas CAV said:
Anyway - I would be interested to see what a "bias-free" BBC could look like.
It would not be a BBC where a presenter on a flagship radio prog discusses an election on air with a senior Labour politician using the word "we".It would not be a BBC where TV newsreaders are frequently given a copy of The Guardian after asking a producer for guidance on a story.
It would not be a BBC where their website advice on how to vote has a pencil tip hovering over the box for Labour on a ballot paper.
It would not be a BBC where bad news for Labour is kept off the lead positions in news bulletins or ignored altogether and where items casting doubt on Labour policy where real concerns exist are ignored for years followed by an apology when it's too late.
It would not be a BBC where in-house correspondents and editors are seen in front of a camera spouting opinion presented as fact, often unchallenged.
It would not be a BBC where people in senior roles are Labour donors not just members and where key people change roles across the organisations regularly.
It would not be a BBC where a local government Labour Party election candidate is placed in a decision making role dealing with complaints of pro-Labour bias in election coverage.
It would not be a BBC where left-wing perspectives are present in output beyond the same bias as seen in news and current affairs.
It would not be a BBC where the website summary of a story about intelligence top brass warning against Brexit fails to point out that one of their ilk has already said it would not harm UK security.
At least commercial radio news got that last one right in the same 10 second read-out. Details of the rest - and a lot more - are elsewhere in this thread and other BBC threads.
Would a right wing broadcaster / journalist / advocate join a state-funded media organisation?
Harji said:
Lucas CAV said:
turbobloke said:
Lucas CAV said:
turbobloke said:
Lucas CAV said:
Can anyone name an unbiased news source that the BBC must presumably aspire to?
Irrelevant as other news sources aren't required to be impartial and rarely are.Also in terms of the most recent group smear against NP&E posters, by people posting in NP&E
the irony is double.According to the (daft) logic being applied to the evident BBC’s bias, NP&E is centralist.
Any perception of right-wing bias must be purely down to the socialist tendencies of a few left-wing PHers who see it that way purely because of their own politics.
It’s nothing to do with the fact that a lot of people on here saw through the empty promises and catalogue of failure from leftism long ago.
The inconsistency of what passes for ‘reasoning’ from beeb apologists is hilarious.
Lucas CAV said:
Anyway - I would be interested to see what a "bias-free" BBC could look like.
It would not be a BBC where a presenter on a flagship radio prog discusses an election on air with a senior Labour politician using the word "we".It would not be a BBC where TV newsreaders are frequently given a copy of The Guardian after asking a producer for guidance on a story.
It would not be a BBC where their website advice on how to vote has a pencil tip hovering over the box for Labour on a ballot paper.
It would not be a BBC where bad news for Labour is kept off the lead positions in news bulletins or ignored altogether and where items casting doubt on Labour policy where real concerns exist are ignored for years followed by an apology when it's too late.
It would not be a BBC where in-house correspondents and editors are seen in front of a camera spouting opinion presented as fact, often unchallenged.
It would not be a BBC where people in senior roles are Labour donors not just members and where key people change roles across the organisations regularly.
It would not be a BBC where a local government Labour Party election candidate is placed in a decision making role dealing with complaints of pro-Labour bias in election coverage.
It would not be a BBC where left-wing perspectives are present in output beyond the same bias as seen in news and current affairs.
It would not be a BBC where the website summary of a story about intelligence top brass warning against Brexit fails to point out that one of their ilk has already said it would not harm UK security.
At least commercial radio news got that last one right in the same 10 second read-out. Details of the rest - and a lot more - are elsewhere in this thread and other BBC threads.
Would a right wing broadcaster / journalist / advocate join a state-funded media organisation?
Andrew Neil is good - I'd say he was quite balanced from what I've seen of him,
Harji said:
State funded or public funded? Anyway Andrew Neil has, and he is very good.
Yes he is, though he chews interviewees impartially. Totally uniform mediocrity has been avoided.mph1977 said:
Harji said:
State funded or public funded? Anyway Andrew Neil has, and he is very good.
doesn't matter to the powerully built PH director it;s not funded by selling subscriptions / advertising therefore it;s bad ... its a state broadcaster, and its biased, imagine that happening in Russia or China
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/10/report-...
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/10/report-...
Apparently the Beeb is biased against Corbyn. (according to a former Labour councillor).
The former chair of the BBC Trust has accused the broadcaster’s journalists of “quite extraordinary attacks” on Jeremy Corbyn, and questioned whether BBC bosses had abandoned impartiality in their coverage of the Labour leader.
The former chair of the BBC Trust has accused the broadcaster’s journalists of “quite extraordinary attacks” on Jeremy Corbyn, and questioned whether BBC bosses had abandoned impartiality in their coverage of the Labour leader.
BlackLabel said:
Apparently the Beeb is biased against Corbyn. (according to a former Labour councillor).
The former chair of the BBC Trust has accused the broadcaster’s journalists of “quite extraordinary attacks” on Jeremy Corbyn, and questioned whether BBC bosses had abandoned impartiality in their coverage of the Labour leader.
which just ads further evidence to the assertion that significant parts of the accusation of bias by the Bias is not the bias that those who are complaining thingk it is but is in fact their own confirmation bias, reinforced by echo chambers on social media .The former chair of the BBC Trust has accused the broadcaster’s journalists of “quite extraordinary attacks” on Jeremy Corbyn, and questioned whether BBC bosses had abandoned impartiality in their coverage of the Labour leader.
mph1977 said:
BlackLabel said:
Apparently the Beeb is biased against Corbyn. (according to a former Labour councillor).
The former chair of the BBC Trust has accused the broadcaster’s journalists of “quite extraordinary attacks” on Jeremy Corbyn, and questioned whether BBC bosses had abandoned impartiality in their coverage of the Labour leader.
which just ads further evidence to the assertion that significant parts of the accusation of bias by the Bias is not the bias that those who are complaining thingk it is but is in fact their own confirmation bias, reinforced by echo chambers on social media .The former chair of the BBC Trust has accused the broadcaster’s journalists of “quite extraordinary attacks” on Jeremy Corbyn, and questioned whether BBC bosses had abandoned impartiality in their coverage of the Labour leader.
The merits of the claims have to be examined carefully.
andymadmak said:
mph1977 said:
BlackLabel said:
Apparently the Beeb is biased against Corbyn. (according to a former Labour councillor).
The former chair of the BBC Trust has accused the broadcaster’s journalists of “quite extraordinary attacks” on Jeremy Corbyn, and questioned whether BBC bosses had abandoned impartiality in their coverage of the Labour leader.
which just ads further evidence to the assertion that significant parts of the accusation of bias by the Bias is not the bias that those who are complaining thingk it is but is in fact their own confirmation bias, reinforced by echo chambers on social media .The former chair of the BBC Trust has accused the broadcaster’s journalists of “quite extraordinary attacks” on Jeremy Corbyn, and questioned whether BBC bosses had abandoned impartiality in their coverage of the Labour leader.
The merits of the claims have to be examined carefully.
IIRC, they weren't so hot on Brown, too, as everyone could see he was leading the party into oblivion.
andymadmak said:
mph1977 said:
BlackLabel said:
Apparently the Beeb is biased against Corbyn. (according to a former Labour councillor).
The former chair of the BBC Trust has accused the broadcaster’s journalists of “quite extraordinary attacks” on Jeremy Corbyn, and questioned whether BBC bosses had abandoned impartiality in their coverage of the Labour leader.
which just ads further evidence to the assertion that significant parts of the accusation of bias by the Bias is not the bias that those who are complaining thingk it is but is in fact their own confirmation bias, reinforced by echo chambers on social media .The former chair of the BBC Trust has accused the broadcaster’s journalists of “quite extraordinary attacks” on Jeremy Corbyn, and questioned whether BBC bosses had abandoned impartiality in their coverage of the Labour leader.
The merits of the claims have to be examined carefully.
Also the point that 'bias of the beeb = due to some form of bias in the PHer' has severak compelling points arguing against it. Firstly the problem with the BBC is bias, not left-wing bias, so detection is merely around the presence of bias not its direction; also those claiming no bias in the BBC's information pollution, apart from disagreeing with the BBC people who admit that beeb output is indeed biased, nevertheless saw and indicated bias on PH NP&E, revealing that in fact NP&E is as centrist as the BBC is; and of course they can spot bias in the Mail as easily as I can spot it in The Guardian, which latter newspaper is given to presenters by producers to give the 'take' on a story.
First-hand witness testimony from experienced senior BBC people:
"By far the most popular and widely read newspapers at the BBC are The Guardian and The Independent. Producers refer to them routinely for the line to take on running stories, and for inspiration on which items to cover. In the later stages of my career, I lost count of the number of times I asked a producer for a brief on a story, only to be handed a copy of The Guardian and told ‘it’s all in there’."
Peter Sissons (BBC News Anchor and Current Affairs presenter
"I absorbed and expressed all the accepted BBC attitudes: hostility to, or at least suspicion of, America, monarchy, government, capitalism, empire, banking and the defence establishment, and in favour of the Health Service, state welfare, the social sciences, the environment and state education."
Sir Antony Jay (BBC producer and creator of “Yes (Prime) Minister”)
“I do remember (1997 Bliar election win) the corridors of Broadcasting House were strewn with empty champagne bottles. I’ll always remember that”
Jane Garvey (BBC Radio 4 presenter)
“We need to foster peculiarity, idiosyncrasy, stubborn-mindedness, left-of-centre thinking.”
Ben Stephenson (BBC controller of Drama Commissioning)
“It’s a bit like walking into a Sunday meeting of the Flat Earth Society. As they discuss great issues of the day, they discuss them from the point of view that the earth is flat. If someone says, ‘No, no, no, the earth is round!’, they think this person is an extremist. That’s what it’s like for someone with my right of-centre views working inside the BBC.”
Jeff Randall (BBC business editor)
Hopefully, the scrapping of the BBC trust and the scrutiny over bias and accuracy being handed over to ofcom, will help eradicate at least some of the rabid PC mission of the BBC , and thus curb at least some of its left wing bias. We live in hope.
Mind you, it will make little difference to I, I'll not be renewing my license later this year , so something I watch little ,won't be watched at all. No more wall to wall global warming propaganda.
Mind you, it will make little difference to I, I'll not be renewing my license later this year , so something I watch little ,won't be watched at all. No more wall to wall global warming propaganda.
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