Political bias at BBC - something has to be done surely
Discussion
chrispmartha said:
Eh, it's all doomed gloom, yet you say even the good news stories, which is it?
People just see confirmation bias in whatever they want.
Seriously? I'll try again. Even if the content of the story is effectively good news the message is framed as "despite brexit" - as if somehow it would be better news if brexit hadn't happened (which is the BBC paradigm) . People just see confirmation bias in whatever they want.
It is a subtle form of bias but evident in everything put forward.
Jinx said:
Seriously? I'll try again. Even if the content of the story is effectively good news the message is framed as "despite brexit" - as if somehow it would be better news if brexit hadn't happened (which is the BBC paradigm) .
It is a subtle form of bias but evident in everything put forward.
I have noticed this in the BBC 6Music news. In every piece relating the economy, they add a footnote which always includes 'Despite Brexit'It is a subtle form of bias but evident in everything put forward.
Jinx said:
chrispmartha said:
Eh, it's all doomed gloom, yet you say even the good news stories, which is it?
People just see confirmation bias in whatever they want.
Seriously? I'll try again. Even if the content of the story is effectively good news the message is framed as "despite brexit" - as if somehow it would be better news if brexit hadn't happened (which is the BBC paradigm) . People just see confirmation bias in whatever they want.
It is a subtle form of bias but evident in everything put forward.
Anyway as I say the recent linked article isn't biased, it helps when proving bias to show an article with bias.
chrispmartha said:
Any links?
Anyway as I say the recent linked article isn't biased, it helps when proving bias to show an article with bias.
This is like showing you the picture of the vase and you insisting you can only see two faces. Try it - adjust your view point and look though all the political and economic stories - try to finds one that frames Brexit in a positive light?Anyway as I say the recent linked article isn't biased, it helps when proving bias to show an article with bias.
I cannot show you the "bias" in the picture (article) because it is in the frame.
chrispmartha said:
Anyway as I say the recent linked article isn't biased, it helps when proving bias to show an article with bias.
I think you need to read more of Kamel Ahmed's articles - they're pretty much all biased to a greater or lesser extent.BEEB website's lead story is now about two think tanks suggesting 'grim picture' for family finances:'Living standards this decade are "the worst since the last war" and the outlook for wages is dreadful, independent economists have said.' I'm no statistician, but it seems to me that you could read many different things into those graphs.
Personally, I have not seen my living standard shoot up at the seemingly artificial rate of the naughties, so perhaps things are going through a cyclical re-balance, rather than the BEEB's horror scenario due to brexit(????)
Jinx said:
chrispmartha said:
It may be a 'doom & gloom' story but it's not a biased one, IMHO.
It is all doom and gloom stories - even the good news is pre-fixed with "despite Brexit" . The bias is institutionalised and endemic and is part of the BBC paradigm. Biased article said:
Those charts say that the bottom 30% of earners are likely to be worse off.
Only the top 10% of earners will see as significant a hit, with middle income families slightly better off by 2020.
The top 10% of earners see a more significant hit.Only the top 10% of earners will see as significant a hit, with middle income families slightly better off by 2020.
It's economically significant to point this out since, along with profitable companies, the highest earners pay for just about everything as they are by far the largest net contributors.
Also if the highest earners actually made use of the wide plethora of public services they pay for, the chart would show them even more worse off.
In addition, due to the number of earners in each percentile, with the largest numbers in the mid-range, a significant majority of people will be better off.
Finally the Chancellor is right to make increases in UK productivity his priority. This is mentioned along with the infrastructure element, but that glimmer of objectivity can't offset previous sins of omission and commission.
princealbert23 said:
Piersman2 said:
??? 
oh it's an advert on LBC that annoys the hell out of our household, for some software to plot whose on leave. As if a spreadsheet couldn't do the same thing for no outlay. 
Now then.... "If I was a toy...." Arrrrrgggghhhhhhh.
They've been using Richard Gott as a "Cuba expert" in recent days without mentioning he used to be on the payroll of the KGB. Apparently Castro wasn't a real dictator because he only carried out a "few executions".
http://order-order.com/2016/11/30/murray-exposes-k...
http://order-order.com/2016/11/30/murray-exposes-k...
BBC know full well that if the message the "alt right", "populist parties", or whatever you want to call them, reach the masses, - they would get a increase their support massively.
When the BBC, and other mainstream news channels for that matter, introduce a guest from another news outlet, or lesser known political party or whatever, - they will often label them right wing for eg: "Today in the studio discussing whether a certain word should be used, is Mohammed Bloggs, editor for the right ring news channel 'blah-news'. Even if the guest's news channel or political party is arguably not right wing.
I find it odd that the BBC acts as judge on jury as to who is right or left, - given that the spectrum is becoming more and more blurred these days.
I take this statement as an attempt to stop people from taking any further interest in who they are interviewing, as they know that if the person was actually given a platform, more support would be forthcoming. BBC etc see 'right wing' as character assassination and will lay the labels on thick.
Before I heard a single word come out of her mouth, I had the impression that Marine Le Pen was incredibly racist, - until I actually listened to her at length. I was actually shocked at how reasonable and libertarian she is and what the party *now* stands for (appreciate her Dad was a different kettle of fish). Headlines, for quite a while, put me off from even given her the time of day.
There was a woman on LBC recently slagging Le Pen off, - saying all sorts of vile things about her, as if she knew a lot about her. The presenter asked her whether she spoke English in these interviews that the women was moaning about (Andrew Marr on remembrance Sunday)... but the lady caller didn't know (!!!). Obviously her entire opinion of Le Pen is based on what she's been told. Ridiculous - and especially for her to ring up a radio station and passionately slag her off, when clearly she doesn't know the first thing about her. Crazy world we live in.
When the BBC, and other mainstream news channels for that matter, introduce a guest from another news outlet, or lesser known political party or whatever, - they will often label them right wing for eg: "Today in the studio discussing whether a certain word should be used, is Mohammed Bloggs, editor for the right ring news channel 'blah-news'. Even if the guest's news channel or political party is arguably not right wing.
I find it odd that the BBC acts as judge on jury as to who is right or left, - given that the spectrum is becoming more and more blurred these days.
I take this statement as an attempt to stop people from taking any further interest in who they are interviewing, as they know that if the person was actually given a platform, more support would be forthcoming. BBC etc see 'right wing' as character assassination and will lay the labels on thick.
Before I heard a single word come out of her mouth, I had the impression that Marine Le Pen was incredibly racist, - until I actually listened to her at length. I was actually shocked at how reasonable and libertarian she is and what the party *now* stands for (appreciate her Dad was a different kettle of fish). Headlines, for quite a while, put me off from even given her the time of day.
There was a woman on LBC recently slagging Le Pen off, - saying all sorts of vile things about her, as if she knew a lot about her. The presenter asked her whether she spoke English in these interviews that the women was moaning about (Andrew Marr on remembrance Sunday)... but the lady caller didn't know (!!!). Obviously her entire opinion of Le Pen is based on what she's been told. Ridiculous - and especially for her to ring up a radio station and passionately slag her off, when clearly she doesn't know the first thing about her. Crazy world we live in.
Ecstatic coverage of the Richmond by-election result last week - and why not?
Except the Tories didn't field a candidate and Labour lost their deposit (first time in over 100 years in London according to The Times). Rather puts a different slant on it?
And nice to hear the topical Now Show keeping up to date with a rant or two about Farage, but nothing to say on Fidel (who was a rather more current item and possibly even bigger). But would that spoil their message?
And just for balance one of the chaps on 'From Our Own Correspondent' trumpets his Sandanista credentials so we know he's a good bloke under that corporate makeover.
Except the Tories didn't field a candidate and Labour lost their deposit (first time in over 100 years in London according to The Times). Rather puts a different slant on it?
And nice to hear the topical Now Show keeping up to date with a rant or two about Farage, but nothing to say on Fidel (who was a rather more current item and possibly even bigger). But would that spoil their message?
And just for balance one of the chaps on 'From Our Own Correspondent' trumpets his Sandanista credentials so we know he's a good bloke under that corporate makeover.
The Don of Croy said:
Ecstatic coverage of the Richmond by-election result last week - and why not?
I can imagine the editorial meetings to decide how to report Richmond. On the one hand we can spin it as being "all about Brexit", but on the other hand Richmond is populated by rich people so we need to play this down.With regards Castro, they're pretty quiet on his passing. "Father of the people's revolution" is a plus point, but he did have a few stains on his CV in relation to how he dealt with people who didn't agree with him. Again, I can picture the editorial meeting.
Mellisa: "Perhaps we should play down the Castro piece a bit, he did kill quite a lot of people too"
Julian: "Yes but it was all in the context of the vast improvements he made to people's lives."
Jeremy: "Good point Julian. As my Gran used to say "you can't make an omelette without murdering your political opponents""
The Don of Croy said:
And nice to hear the topical Now Show keeping up to date with a rant or two about Farage, but nothing to say on Fidel (who was a rather more current item and possibly even bigger). But would that spoil their message?
Mrs TB couldn't wait to tell me on my return from spotting the latest HADECS M25 revenue generation cameras the other day that the BBC (radio, probably R2) coverage was little short of a eulogy, extolling Castro's contribution to his country's "development" to such an extent that when she first caught ear of the item she thought that Mother Theresa's even more saintly brother had died, but no it was Castro. Apparently there was a comment noting that his regime had survived for 'so long' perhaps a tacit admission that it wasn't expected to for all the obvious domestic reasons beyond the CIA's reach.
Camoradi said:
I can picture the editorial meeting.
Mellisa: "Perhaps we should play down the Castro piece a bit, he did kill quite a lot of people too"
Julian: "Yes but it was all in the context of the vast improvements he made to people's lives."
Jeremy: "Good point Julian. As my Gran used to say "you can't make an omelette without murdering your political opponents""
Mellisa: "Perhaps we should play down the Castro piece a bit, he did kill quite a lot of people too"
Julian: "Yes but it was all in the context of the vast improvements he made to people's lives."
Jeremy: "Good point Julian. As my Gran used to say "you can't make an omelette without murdering your political opponents""
First laugh of the day - excellent
An interesting story on Lady Gaga - however, the penultimate paragraph caught my eye:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38218247
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38218247
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