Political bias at BBC - something has to be done surely

[XCP]

How could that realistically be achieved? I can't see any government scrapping the BBC.
The thing is, if you think it is biased, don't watch it, or take a big pinch of salt. ( which tends to be my attitude with any medium )

[johnxjsc1985]

XCP said:

How could that realistically be achieved? I can't see any government scrapping the BBC.
The thing is, if you think it is biased, don't watch it, or take a big pinch of salt. ( which tends to be my attitude with any medium )

not so easy when you have to pay for it.

[chrispmartha]

SKP555 said:

eccles said:

If you dislike it that much is it so hard to watch another news outlet?

That's not the point.

It has a negative impact on the country as a whole and it is funded by the state, as well as drawing aome legitimacy from it's privileged position among older and more gullible viewers.

Any proof the BBC has a negative impact on the country?

I'd say the BBC actually has a positive effect on a lot of the country

[SKP555]

XCP said:

How could that realistically be achieved? I can't see any government scrapping the BBC.
The thing is, if you think it is biased, don't watch it, or take a big pinch of salt. ( which tends to be my attitude with any medium )

I think you always have to, but that doesn't mean we should allow them to continue unchallenged.

They won't be closed completely andif they privatised it it would just continue as is with possibly even less scrutiny.

I would like to see them run down over a period of a few years. Budgets slashed, channels closed and it's scope reduced. Hive off entertainment and music. Close lots of channels and stations. At the same time continually pull it up on bias in all forms.

[XCP]

BIANCO said:

XCP said:

How could that realistically be achieved? I can't see any government scrapping the BBC.
The thing is, if you think it is biased, don't watch it, or take a big pinch of salt. ( which tends to be my attitude with any medium )

Well why don't they show hardcore porn and full on racist comedy shows? if you don't like it dont watch it.

Taste, decency. illegality? why do you think they don't show this kind of material? Do you think they should?

[XCP]

BIANCO said:

No i'm just trying to show how much of a bullst argument “if you don't like it don't watch it” is.
The media have a massive influence on the public so even if you don't watch something it doesn't mean it won't affect you. They are trying to spread their own minority agendas and have the tools to do so.

I think people are capable of making their own minds up about content and choosing their viewing/listening accordingly. I find a lot of Radio4 cringingly right on, and so I either laugh at it or turn it off. It's not hard to do and is a matter of personal choice. I don't really want anyone taking that choice away from me to be honest.

[Phil1]

XCP said:

I think people are capable of making their own minds up about content and choosing their viewing/listening accordingly. I find a lot of Radio4 cringingly right on, and so I either laugh at it or turn it off. It's not hard to do and is a matter of personal choice. I don't really want anyone taking that choice away from me to be honest.

But people aren't able to choose whether to fund that content and turn off the payment.

[chrispmartha]

Phil1 said:

XCP said:

I think people are capable of making their own minds up about content and choosing their viewing/listening accordingly. I find a lot of Radio4 cringingly right on, and so I either laugh at it or turn it off. It's not hard to do and is a matter of personal choice. I don't really want anyone taking that choice away from me to be honest.

But people aren't able to choose whether to fund that content and turn off the payment.

There are many things in life we have to pay for which we may never use or enjoy

[PRTVR]

chrispmartha said:

Phil1 said:

XCP said:

I think people are capable of making their own minds up about content and choosing their viewing/listening accordingly. I find a lot of Radio4 cringingly right on, and so I either laugh at it or turn it off. It's not hard to do and is a matter of personal choice. I don't really want anyone taking that choice away from me to be honest.

But people aren't able to choose whether to fund that content and turn off the payment.

There are many things in life we have to pay for which we may never use or enjoy

But how many things in life do you have to pay for to use the services of a similar but different supplier ?

Edit to add a list.
1: if I want to watch ITV I have to pay BBC. Over to you to enlighten me of some more.

Edited by PRTVR on Monday 12th December 21:21

[Phil1]

chrispmartha said:

There are many things in life we have to pay for which we may never use or enjoy

So what, never question of object to any of them?

[chrispmartha]

PRTVR said:

chrispmartha said:

Phil1 said:

XCP said:

I think people are capable of making their own minds up about content and choosing their viewing/listening accordingly. I find a lot of Radio4 cringingly right on, and so I either laugh at it or turn it off. It's not hard to do and is a matter of personal choice. I don't really want anyone taking that choice away from me to be honest.

But people aren't able to choose whether to fund that content and turn off the payment.

There are many things in life we have to pay for which we may never use or enjoy

But how many things in life do you have to pay for to use the services of a similar but different supplier ?

Edit to add a list.
1: if I want to watch ITV I have to pay BBC. Over to you to enlighten me of some more.

Edited by PRTVR on Monday 12th December 21:21

That's a different point to what i replied to, the point raised was you can't choose not to fund it or stop payment. I'm sure all of our tax payments have gone to things we wouldn't choose to fund and you can't stop paying for them either.

We like many other countries have to pay to watch live TV broadcasts but unlike the majority if not all the other countries we get a vast array of noncommercial output, would you be happier if we paid for live TV broadcast st but got nothing in return?

[turbobloke]

Phil1 said:

chrispmartha said:

There are many things in life we have to pay for which we may never use or enjoy

So what, never question of object to any of them?

Quite.

These things alluded to are largely essential services, albeit essential to others. The BBC is not essential to anyone, nor is propaganda a valid service.

Also if those providing a service broke the terms they must operate by (BBC, impartial, ho ho ho) there would be more consequences than the BBC endure i.e. none.

[SKP555]

chrispmartha said:

We like many other countries have to pay to watch live TV broadcasts but unlike the majority if not all the other countries we get a vast array of noncommercial output, would you be happier if we paid for live TV broadcast st but got nothing in return?

Yes I would. Rather than getting it's miserable and destructive propaganda "in return."

Of course we could just get rid of the state broadcaster and the tax on TV ownership.

[768]

chrispmartha said:

There are many things in life we have to pay for which we may never use or enjoy

Send me £150 then.

[chrispmartha]

turbobloke said:

Phil1 said:

chrispmartha said:

There are many things in life we have to pay for which we may never use or enjoy

So what, never question of object to any of them?

Quite.

These things alluded to are largely essential services, albeit essential to others. The BBC is not essential to anyone, nor is propaganda a valid service.

Also if those providing a service broke the terms they must operate by (BBC, impartial, ho ho ho) there would be more consequences than the BBC endure i.e. none.

Essential services?, your tax money will go to many none essential services, we get it, you think the BBC is some massive propaganda machine, meanwhile most people see it for what it is, is everything it produces good, no, does it all apeal to everyone no, does it cover a vast array of tastes and genres, yes.

[PRTVR]

chrispmartha said:

PRTVR said:

chrispmartha said:

Phil1 said:

XCP said:

I think people are capable of making their own minds up about content and choosing their viewing/listening accordingly. I find a lot of Radio4 cringingly right on, and so I either laugh at it or turn it off. It's not hard to do and is a matter of personal choice. I don't really want anyone taking that choice away from me to be honest.

But people aren't able to choose whether to fund that content and turn off the payment.

There are many things in life we have to pay for which we may never use or enjoy

But how many things in life do you have to pay for to use the services of a similar but different supplier ?

Edit to add a list.
1: if I want to watch ITV I have to pay BBC. Over to you to enlighten me of some more.

Edited by PRTVR on Monday 12th December 21:21

That's a different point to what i replied to, the point raised was you can't choose not to fund it or stop payment. I'm sure all of our tax payments have gone to things we wouldn't choose to fund and you can't stop paying for them either.

We like many other countries have to pay to watch live TV broadcasts but unlike the majority if not sll the itger countries we get a vast array of noncommercial output, would you be happier if we paid for live TV briadvast butgor nothing in return?

Personally I would prefer if the BBC remained visibly impartial,as it's supposed to be. The BBC licence fee is not a tax, it's a charge to receive any transmissions from any output, if it was only to receive the BBC'S output I would have no problem, the argument that other countries do the same doesn't make it right.

[chrispmartha]

SKP555 said:

chrispmartha said:

We like many other countries have to pay to watch live TV broadcasts but unlike the majority if not all the other countries we get a vast array of noncommercial output, would you be happier if we paid for live TV broadcast st but got nothing in return?

Yes I would. Rather than getting it's miserable and destructive propaganda "in return."

Of course we could just get rid of the state broadcaster and the tax on TV ownership.

Miserable and destructive propaganda? You realise you sound a tad paranoid , itne BBC has a large and varied output are you suggesting it's all propaganda?

[Stickyfinger]

chrispmartha said:

Essential services?, your tax money will go to many none essential services, we get it, you think the BBC is some massive propaganda machine, meanwhile most people see it for what it is, is everything it produces good, no, does it all apeal to everyone no, does it cover a vast array of tastes and genres, yes.

I will trump that with ....Jeremy Vine.....

[Randy Winkman]

chrispmartha said:

SKP555 said:

eccles said:

If you dislike it that much is it so hard to watch another news outlet?

That's not the point.

It has a negative impact on the country as a whole and it is funded by the state, as well as drawing aome legitimacy from it's privileged position among older and more gullible viewers.

Any proof the BBC has a negative impact on the country?

I'd say the BBC actually has a positive effect on a lot of the country

I think TV watchers the world over would agree with you.

[chrispmartha]

PRTVR said:

chrispmartha said:

PRTVR said:

chrispmartha said:

Phil1 said:

XCP said:

I think people are capable of making their own minds up about content and choosing their viewing/listening accordingly. I find a lot of Radio4 cringingly right on, and so I either laugh at it or turn it off. It's not hard to do and is a matter of personal choice. I don't really want anyone taking that choice away from me to be honest.

But people aren't able to choose whether to fund that content and turn off the payment.

There are many things in life we have to pay for which we may never use or enjoy

But how many things in life do you have to pay for to use the services of a similar but different supplier ?

Edit to add a list.
1: if I want to watch ITV I have to pay BBC. Over to you to enlighten me of some more.

Edited by PRTVR on Monday 12th December 21:21

That's a different point to what i replied to, the point raised was you can't choose not to fund it or stop payment. I'm sure all of our tax payments have gone to things we wouldn't choose to fund and you can't stop paying for them either.

We like many other countries have to pay to watch live TV broadcasts but unlike the majority if not sll the itger countries we get a vast array of noncommercial output, would you be happier if we paid for live TV briadvast butgor nothing in return?

Personally I would prefer if the BBC remained visibly impartial,as it's supposed to be. The BBC licence fee is not a tax, it's a charge to receive any transmissions from any output, if it was only to receive the BBC'S output I would have no problem, the argument that other countries do the same doesn't make it right.

But it's only your confirmation bias that suggests it isn't visibly impartial, you actively look for bias, it can be found in anything if you look hard enough