Political bias at BBC - something has to be done surely

[chrispmartha]

Stickyfinger said:

chrispmartha said:

Essential services?, your tax money will go to many none essential services, we get it, you think the BBC is some massive propaganda machine, meanwhile most people see it for what it is, is everything it produces good, no, does it all apeal to everyone no, does it cover a vast array of tastes and genres, yes.

I will trump that with ....Jeremy Vine.....

Radio 2 is in the main a load of rubblish, buy a DAB and put radio 6 on.

[chris watton]

Tuning into BBC has been a delight at the right ties. The last UK GE, where the BBC presenters could not hide their grief that their party of favour lost (That was a great sight to witness), the Brexit vote, and then, to top all that, Trump!

Other than that, BBC news and current affairs is best avoided, except for those who vote Labour/Green/Lib-Dem and want ever greater state control and higher taxes, and the poor getting poorer due to Green crap they love so much. Confirmation bias aplenty if you're into all of that.

BTW, whatever happened to the 'Progressive Majority'?

[don4l]

chrispmartha said:

Essential services?, your tax money will go to many none essential services, we get it, you think the BBC is some massive propaganda machine, meanwhile most people see it for what it is, is everything it produces good, no, does it all apeal to everyone no, does it cover a vast array of tastes and genres, yes.

Are you a lefty?

[chrispmartha]

don4l said:

chrispmartha said:

Essential services?, your tax money will go to many none essential services, we get it, you think the BBC is some massive propaganda machine, meanwhile most people see it for what it is, is everything it produces good, no, does it all apeal to everyone no, does it cover a vast array of tastes and genres, yes.

Are you a lefty?

A 'lefty'? No I'm right handed.

[SKP555]

chrispmartha said:

Miserable and destructive propaganda? You realise you sound a tad paranoid , itne BBC has a large and varied output are you suggesting it's all propaganda?

Not that it's all a coordinated propaganda effort exactly. Just that it's run mostly by a certain demographic with a certain viewpoint. And I really don't like them.

[chrispmartha]

SKP555 said:

chrispmartha said:

Miserable and destructive propaganda? You realise you sound a tad paranoid , itne BBC has a large and varied output are you suggesting it's all propaganda?

Not that it's all a coordinated propaganda effort exactly. Just that it's run mostly by a certain demographic with a certain viewpoint. And I really don't like them.

What demographic is it run by?

[SKP555]

chris watton said:

Tuning into BBC has been a delight at the right ties. The last UK GE, where the BBC presenters could not hide their grief that their party of favour lost (That was a great sight to witness), the Brexit vote, and then, to top all that, Trump!

It definitely has. A couple of mates started playing spot the BBC st dog. As the results came it it looked more and more like there was a foul smell in BBC studios. Thhe little blighter was all over rhe place on referendum night and again during the Presidential election.

[SKP555]

chrispmartha said:

What demographic is it run by?

It's a publicly funded urban organisation with an abnormally large proportion of younger people, of people in ethnic minorities and almost certainly of gay people, compared with the population at large.

[chrispmartha]

BIANCO said:

The BBC is a organisation mainly made up of middle class metropolitan elite. Who through their entire life's have had their left socialist views reinforced in the echo chamber that is western universities. And then within the BBC where they then surround themselves again with like minded people.
It's the Neverland of corporations full of kids that have never grown up because they have never had to live in the real world.
Its why they don't understand how brexit happens and Trump gets elected. Because very few have any idea what life's like outside their little bubble.
Pretty much identical to most politicians these days.

The BBC employs over 20,000 people, it's quite amusing you seem to think you know most of them

[anonymous-user]

SKP555 said:

chrispmartha said:

What demographic is it run by?

It's a publicly funded urban organisation with an abnormally large proportion of younger people, of people in ethnic minorities and almost certainly of gay people, compared with the population at large.

Quite a lot of grey haired white people on both the trust and exec board.

[chrispmartha]

SKP555 said:

chrispmartha said:

What demographic is it run by?

It's a publicly funded urban organisation with an abnormally large proportion of younger people, of people in ethnic minorities and almost certainly of gay people, compared with the population at large.

'Almost certainly gay people' have you heard yourself?

[chrispmartha]

BIANCO said:

chrispmartha said:

BIANCO said:

The BBC is a organisation mainly made up of middle class metropolitan elite. Who through their entire life's have had their left socialist views reinforced in the echo chamber that is western universities. And then within the BBC where they then surround themselves again with like minded people.
It's the Neverland of corporations full of kids that have never grown up because they have never had to live in the real world.
Its why they don't understand how brexit happens and Trump gets elected. Because very few have any idea what life's like outside their little bubble.
Pretty much identical to most politicians these days.

The BBC employs over 20,000 people, it's quite amusing you seem to think you know most of them

Yes because many years ago I worked as a shelf stacker at Tesco and I personally decided to implement the clubcard format and started a full corporate restructuring of the company.
No doubt just how one of the window cleaner at the BBC decides the program format of the next newsnight show.

I'm not sure what a fake anecdote is adding to the discussion, you cannot possibly know what the demographic makeup of 20,000 people is, you can guess, but you are biased yourself so the guess will be totally inaccurate

[chrispmartha]

BIANCO said:

chrispmartha said:

I'm not sure what a fake anecdote is adding to the discussion, you cannot possibly know what the demographic makeup of 20,000 people is, you can guess, but you are biased yourself so the guess will be totally inaccurate

The point I was making what that a very small amount of the 20000 have a say on the output of the BBC. The ones that do have a say are the middle class metropolitan elites I was on about.

Well it's a point you made pretty badly seeing as you said 'mainly made up of' so is it 'mainly made up of' or a very small amount?

Or can we deduct that you haven't the foggiest?

Edited by chrispmartha on Monday 12th December 22:58

[PRTVR]

chrispmartha said:

PRTVR said:

chrispmartha said:

PRTVR said:

chrispmartha said:

Phil1 said:

XCP said:

I think people are capable of making their own minds up about content and choosing their viewing/listening accordingly. I find a lot of Radio4 cringingly right on, and so I either laugh at it or turn it off. It's not hard to do and is a matter of personal choice. I don't really want anyone taking that choice away from me to be honest.

But people aren't able to choose whether to fund that content and turn off the payment.

There are many things in life we have to pay for which we may never use or enjoy

But how many things in life do you have to pay for to use the services of a similar but different supplier ?

Edit to add a list.
1: if I want to watch ITV I have to pay BBC. Over to you to enlighten me of some more.

Edited by PRTVR on Monday 12th December 21:21

That's a different point to what i replied to, the point raised was you can't choose not to fund it or stop payment. I'm sure all of our tax payments have gone to things we wouldn't choose to fund and you can't stop paying for them either.

We like many other countries have to pay to watch live TV broadcasts but unlike the majority if not sll the itger countries we get a vast array of noncommercial output, would you be happier if we paid for live TV briadvast butgor nothing in return?

Personally I would prefer if the BBC remained visibly impartial,as it's supposed to be. The BBC licence fee is not a tax, it's a charge to receive any transmissions from any output, if it was only to receive the BBC'S output I would have no problem, the argument that other countries do the same doesn't make it right.

But it's only your confirmation bias that suggests it isn't visibly impartial, you actively look for bias, it can be found in anything if you look hard enough

And if the message confirms your beliefs you will fail to see the bias.

Have a read and tell me it was a good use of licence payers money.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2012/11/heres-a-bbc-sca...

[SKP555]

chrispmartha said:

SKP555 said:

chrispmartha said:

What demographic is it run by?

It's a publicly funded urban organisation with an abnormally large proportion of younger people, of people in ethnic minorities and almost certainly of gay people, compared with the population at large.

'Almost certainly gay people' have you heard yourself?

That's according to Andrew Marr.

[Andehh]

chrispmartha said:

BIANCO said:

The BBC is a organisation mainly made up of middle class metropolitan elite. Who through their entire life's have had their left socialist views reinforced in the echo chamber that is western universities. And then within the BBC where they then surround themselves again with like minded people.
It's the Neverland of corporations full of kids that have never grown up because they have never had to live in the real world.
Its why they don't understand how brexit happens and Trump gets elected. Because very few have any idea what life's like outside their little bubble.
Pretty much identical to most politicians these days.

The BBC employs over 20,000 people, it's quite amusing you seem to think you know most of them

To be fair to BIANCO, the BBC has a big 'Positive Discrimination' policy. They currently have a nigh on 50:50 male to female ratio which they maintain, then they have targets to hire ethinic minorities, LGBTQ etc etc. You name a 'group' and the BBC will inevitably have a % quota to hire. That combined with the incessant hammering of their ''top talent'' and how much they get paid will inevitable create a left leaning/bias'd culture within the BBC.

You don't need to ''know most of them'', just understand the BBC hiring policies to understand the eventual implications of it

Edited by Andehh on Tuesday 13th December 10:03

[Lucas Ayde]

desolate said:

I don't think anyone can seriously suggest they are biased to Labour.

They're not biased towards Labour per se - they are clearly of the new type of 'liberal' (more like illiberal) politically correct, 'cause of the week', thinking that's gained such prevalence in the USA and blatantly neoliberal when it comes to economics. At their core they are essentially 'New Labour' Blairite types.

The management also bends in the wind with whatever government is in power (as they know they have to keep their paymasters sweet).

Witness the vehement attacks on Corbyn who is very much of the 'old left' school - the 'new liberal' types clearly resent that the traditional left are holding on to the party.

[VxDuncan]

For years the BBC advertised most its jobs in the Guardian. I remember reading the job pages a few years ago when I was a graduate looking for jobs, there were pages and pages of BBC jobs. Never any advertised in the Telegraph.

[gruffalo]

Andehh said:

To be fair to BIANCO, the BBC has a big 'Positive Discrimination' policy. They currently have a nigh on 50:50 male to female ratio which they maintain, then they have targets to hire ethinic minorities, LGBTQ etc etc. You name a 'group' and the BBC will inevitably have a % quota to hire. That combined with the incessant hammering of their ''top talent'' and how much they get paid will inevitable create a left leaning/bias'd culture within the BBC.

You don't need to ''know most of them'', just understand the BBC hiring policies to understand the eventual implications of it

Edited by Andehh on Tuesday 13th December 10:03

Yep the BBC thinks this is the way to a diverse staff. However they fail to address political diversity while patting them selves on the back for being diverse.

Theyy need to realise that diversity of though would be better.

[WinstonWolf]

Andehh said:

To be fair to BIANCO, the BBC has a big 'Positive Discrimination' policy. They currently have a nigh on 50:50 male to female ratio which they maintain, then they have targets to hire ethinic minorities, LGBTQ etc etc. You name a 'group' and the BBC will inevitably have a % quota to hire. That combined with the incessant hammering of their ''top talent'' and how much they get paid will inevitable create a left leaning/bias'd culture within the BBC.

You don't need to ''know most of them'', just understand the BBC hiring policies to understand the eventual implications of it

Edited by Andehh on Tuesday 13th December 10:03

And yet they have absolutely zero diversity of opinion...