Political bias at BBC - something has to be done surely
Discussion
Pesty said:
El stovey said:
It's all relative to your world view and political compass but I'd suggest if people are seeing lefties everywhere and evidence of liberal bias in everything, perhaps it's them that is a bit extreme.
Funny then how it's the rabid lefties in here. Remainers etc etc that claim the BBC isn't.But no, it's not them or the BBC it's everybody else despite contant examples of bias.
I think many people in the NPandE here are very right of centre though and that's why they struggle to find media outlets that reflect their own views. Because the BBC isn't obviously right wing it's seen as biased.
The fact that you automatically think anyone that doesn't think the BBC is biased is a rabid lefty kind of says it all.
don4l said:
MarshPhantom said:
LimaDelta said:
Jimboka said:
The BBC is impartial
If you are part of the Islington elite, I'm sure it is. 62% of London's MPs are Labour. 3% Libdems.
So what does that tell us about the popularity of the Tories (35%) and UKIP (0%) across the whole of London?
Your question doesn't even make sense.
What makes you think the opinions of Londoners are unimportant? I'd love to see how the country got on without us. I really would.
El stovey said:
LimaDelta said:
They shouldn't have 'views', they are meant to be impartial. Hence no view point one way or another.
So how do you expect them to represent your views in a positive light? Are you sure you're not just being influenced by your own biases when watching it? Placing more emphasis on bits which make you think it's biased and ignoring anything else.
I honestly don't think the BBC will ever (or can ever) address their bias as it goes to the core. What gets me is the fact that I am putting money in the pockets of those who are in some cases actively working to destroy elements of my life by the manipulation and misrepresentation of 'facts' to match their own agenda.
Keep the BBC they way it is by all means. As biased as the Guardian, or the Daily Mail, or Fox News, but don't make everyone pay for it. Let it sink or swim on it's own merits.
I am not an extremist. I am a working male aged 38 with a wife, two children and if forced to pigeonhole myself would say I am a conservative libertarian.
Farage has signed for Fox News so that should balance things up a bit 
http://www.westmonster.com/farage-on-fox/
http://www.westmonster.com/farage-on-fox/
Wills2 said:
desolate said:
Doesn't part of the licence fee go to channel 4 as well?
No.http://www.channel4.com/4viewers/faq/name/does-cha...
On Graham Norton BBC Radio 2 today, that woman who does the Grill Graham slot was boasting that she was going on a protest rally in Grosvenor Square. "What rally is that?" asks Mr Norton and she replied something like "Oh, it's the anti-Trump rally - OOPS I'm not supposed to say that am I".
I bet nobody pulls her up on it either.
I bet nobody pulls her up on it either.
Just looked at BBC News website home page: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news There seem to be an awful lot of blatant anti-Trump headlines. Rather different to the Obama inauguration 8 years, when there were multiple gushing reports on his first day in office. Perhaps I'm a bit right wing, but no more so than mainstream Jo Public; I thoroughly resent the BBC being so biased in that I have to pay for it via TV license. Of course there are other outlets that tell it like it is, with little bias, & they're free. I guess that is the crux of the problem with the BBC.
don4l said:
MarshPhantom said:
LimaDelta said:
Jimboka said:
The BBC is impartial
If you are part of the Islington elite, I'm sure it is. 62% of London's MPs are Labour. 3% Libdems.
So what does that tell us about the popularity of the Tories (35%) and UKIP (0%) across the whole of London?
Londoners voted to Remain in the EU. Democracy dictates that they are ignored.
El stovey said:
Pesty said:
El stovey said:
It's all relative to your world view and political compass but I'd suggest if people are seeing lefties everywhere and evidence of liberal bias in everything, perhaps it's them that is a bit extreme.
Funny then how it's the rabid lefties in here. Remainers etc etc that claim the BBC isn't.But no, it's not them or the BBC it's everybody else despite contant examples of bias.
I think many people in the NPandE here are very right of centre though and that's why they struggle to find media outlets that reflect their own views. Because the BBC isn't obviously right wing it's seen as biased.
The fact that you automatically think anyone that doesn't think the BBC is biased is a rabid lefty kind of says it all.
I agree with what the BBC are saying about trump (mostly) , but this doesn't mean I think they are not biased.
They are extremely biased. They should be reporting on Trump as they reported on Obama, Bush and Clinton. It should ll be the same.
There is no need for any favouritism. Good journalism is showing us the facts and letting us make our minds up. Massive bias is for the s
tty tabloids, and also for editorial sections.Efbe said:
There is no need for any favouritism. Good journalism is showing us the facts and letting us make our minds up. Massive bias is for the stty tabloids, and also for editorial sections.
Bingo!! The media now seems to be entirely about spoon-feeding the masses the 'approved' viewpoint rather than troubling their tiny little minds with all that nasty facts and debating malarkey!tty tabloids, and also for editorial sections.(PS - debating something now seems to largely involve aggressively asking rhetorical questions that reinforce the questioner's views while never giving the recipient that chance to actually answer the question. Or have I just listened to the Today Program on Radio 4 for too long?)
This is on the Today Programme and Newsnight Facebook feeds.
http://bbc.in/2iFRDvS
Whilst I see what they are driving at - to make the link between Trump and dictatorship is a bit premature.
Thought the Plato is interesting. It reminds me of the Tytler quote"
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”
http://bbc.in/2iFRDvS
Whilst I see what they are driving at - to make the link between Trump and dictatorship is a bit premature.
Thought the Plato is interesting. It reminds me of the Tytler quote"
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”
Wills2 said:
desolate said:
Doesn't part of the licence fee go to channel 4 as well?
No.http://www.channel4.com/4viewers/faq/name/does-cha...
It is a public corporation of the Department for Culture, Media & Sport.
Pesty said:
Randy Winkman said:
Exactly. So the only valid criticisms are those aimed at the BBC. 
No. The BBC is supposed to be impartial Fox isn't.
It's not a hard concept to grasp.
jjlynn27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
MarshPhantom said:
You do know new presenter is Nick Robinson is a Tory,
Used to be known to BBC journos as "Toenails" as he was so far up Gordon Brown's arse that that's all you could see of him? That Nick Robinson? Or Is there another one?edit: stray apostrophe.
Interestingly;
https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2010/...
Someone started campaign to get NR fired from BBC as he was biased;
article said:
a) Comparing Cameron to Disraeli before he's even taken office;
b) Talking about Downing Street as a 'Labour free zone';
c) Talking about Gordon Brown as the 'unelected prime minister';
d) Talking about the Conservatives as having 'won' the election;
e) Talking about a rainbow coalition as a 'coalition of losers';
f) The clear pleasure on his face when the Tories returned to power.
b) Talking about Downing Street as a 'Labour free zone';
c) Talking about Gordon Brown as the 'unelected prime minister';
d) Talking about the Conservatives as having 'won' the election;
e) Talking about a rainbow coalition as a 'coalition of losers';
f) The clear pleasure on his face when the Tories returned to power.
968 said:
desolate said:
He was certainly called toenails that is well known.
But he's definitely a dyed in the wool tory, as are many within the BBC political machine.
Is it? Where is the evidence for that other than the usual lying fantasists on PH?But he's definitely a dyed in the wool tory, as are many within the BBC political machine.
To be clear I don't think the BBC is biased in any material way. But Robinson is definitely a Tory and was definitely known as "toenails".
LimaDelta said:
Jimboka said:
The BBC is impartial
If you are part of the Islington elite, I'm sure it is. For me personally, I can't think of one of my views which are represented on the BBC in a positive light, and in fact their default position is always counter to my own. Ergo, not impartial. See Brexit, HRC, Chris Packham, etc.
The BBC's mission is not to represent anyone's personal viewpoint. It is to enrich people's lives with programmes and services that inform, educate and entertain. In the main, they do a fairly good job achieving this objective.
The license fee is peanuts compared to a SKY, Netflix or Amazon subscription. The alternative, prevalent in the USA, of fake, or scare, TV news, is a far more worrying trend than any perceived shortcomings of the BBC.
Despite the fact they may actually accurately represent your viewpoint.
jjlynn27 said:
jjlynn27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
MarshPhantom said:
You do know new presenter is Nick Robinson is a Tory,
Used to be known to BBC journos as "Toenails" as he was so far up Gordon Brown's arse that that's all you could see of him? That Nick Robinson? Or Is there another one?edit: stray apostrophe.
Interestingly;
https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2010/...
Someone started campaign to get NR fired from BBC as he was biased;
article said:
a) Comparing Cameron to Disraeli before he's even taken office;
b) Talking about Downing Street as a 'Labour free zone';
c) Talking about Gordon Brown as the 'unelected prime minister';
d) Talking about the Conservatives as having 'won' the election;
e) Talking about a rainbow coalition as a 'coalition of losers';
f) The clear pleasure on his face when the Tories returned to power.
b) Talking about Downing Street as a 'Labour free zone';
c) Talking about Gordon Brown as the 'unelected prime minister';
d) Talking about the Conservatives as having 'won' the election;
e) Talking about a rainbow coalition as a 'coalition of losers';
f) The clear pleasure on his face when the Tories returned to power.
1.8M results for "Nick Robinson Toenails".
They don't all contain the word "toenails", but you must admit that 1,8M is quite impressive.
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff