More Argie Bargie

[Halb]

davepoth said:

What would happen is that Obama wouldn't side with us. That could be critical at Wideawake.

Time for Mallet's mallet?

[ninja-lewis]

ralphrj said:

Interesting story in the Telegraph today that will probably fan the flames a bit.

A secret report into the sinking of the General Belgrano proves that she was heading into the exclusion zone at the time of her sinking based on intercepted instructions from the Argentine Naval HQ. The report was never published to prevent the UK's eavesdropping capabilities being discovered.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/896...

Doesn't sound right. The eavesdropping of Argentine communications is hardly secret - it was one of the main roles of HMS Endurance during the war. Likewise intelligence from the Chileans.

I've never seen an account that suggests the Belgrano was heading into (or even had a destination inside) the Exclusion Zone at the time - why would she do that? Argentina hasn't claimed the Belgrano was heading for the mainland either (fools like Diana Gould may have) - there are plenty of accounts from both side of the fact that the Belgrano was under orders to sail back to the west while the Argentine carrier group to the north awaited better weather and a better opportunity to launch a strike against the British task group. The Exclusion Zone was irrelevant to both sides at that point so why it matters whether she was sailing towards it or not is irrelevant.

Far from adding anything, this account (based on what the Telegraph is saying admittedly) sounds like it is just going to muddy the waters. It's trying to stir up controversy to sell the book I think.

[MX7]

ninja-lewis said:

It's trying to stir up controversy to sell the book I think.

Would the book have been "cleared by the security services" if it was a distortion of the truth, designed to boost book sales?

[SlipStream77]

DonkeyApple said:

And I see the French as per usual actively working against us.

Read a little more about the conflict and you will learn that the French were a considerable help to us.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1387576/How...

[anonymous-user]

SlipStream77 said:

Read a little more about the conflict and you will learn that the French were a considerable help to us.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1387576/How...

Reading that article I wonder what the French stood to gain from helping us, perhaps helping us destroy some Argie kit so the Argies would have to buy some more off the French?!!!! Maybe to get us onside regarding Europe. It also points at the Americans pushing for a solution that didn't benefit us but suited the agendas of many within the American hierarchy. This article kind of backs up the general negative feeling about Obama. Drawing parallels Mitterand was at odds with Thatcher then but the French helped, Sarkozy is at odds with Cameron now.......

[swamp]

SlipStream77 said:

Read a little more about the conflict and you will learn that the French were a considerable help to us.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1387576/How...

The French have a number of overseas territories that could be equally vulnerable to a take over of sorts. By siding with the British they bought themselves a future ally.

[jbi]

swamp said:

SlipStream77 said:

Read a little more about the conflict and you will learn that the French were a considerable help to us.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1387576/How...

The French have a number of overseas territories that could be equally vulnerable to a take over of sorts. By siding with the British they bought themselves a future ally.

very much this... Britain isn't the only country with interests in south America

[MarkRSi]

Ozzie Osmond said:

All I know is the PH UKIP militants would be well hacked off if the Isle of Man was part of Argentina!!

As long as they keep the unrestricted speed limits and and host the TT each year I wouldn't mind

And if they send lots of nice South American ladies over I might be tempted to stay

[fido]

SlipStream77 said:

DonkeyApple said:

And I see the French as per usual actively working against us.

Read a little more about the conflict and you will learn that the French were a considerable help to us.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1387576/How...

Really, i can't see any actual help from the French in that article .. whereas the US most definitely supplied state-of-the-art AIM-9L missiles.

[turbobloke]

fido said:

SlipStream77 said:

DonkeyApple said:

And I see the French as per usual actively working against us.

Read a little more about the conflict and you will learn that the French were a considerable help to us.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1387576/How...

Really, i can't see any actual help from the French in that article .. whereas the US most definitely supplied state-of-the-art AIM-9L missiles.

Maybe it was France supplying Argentine forces with the Super Etendard fighter bomber that helped us in some way...otherwise who knows.

[Elroy Blue]

French provided aircraft for the Harriers to practice dissimilar air combat.

[ViperPict]

Those bloody French up to their sneaky tricks! And Argentina having the gall to stand up to good old blighty.

Memo: the empire's over!

[anonymous-user]

ViperPict said:

Those bloody French up to their sneaky tricks! And Argentina having the gall to stand up to good old blighty.

Memo: the empire's over!

You are funny!
What have we done to the Argies for them to 'stand up to' us?
This isn't about Falklands islanders trying to break away from the U.K, there is no population under the foot of some ruthless emperor. The Argies are the aggressors. They want to build an 'empire' by claiming islands many hundreds of miles away from their country, islands they've never actually owned or truly inhabited, regardless of the wishes of the islands' populace.

[ViperPict]

anonymous said:

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What goes around, comes around...

[Oakey]

ViperPict said:

What goes around, comes around...

Still sore about William Wallace I see

[Chicharito]

Shame we couldn't do a deal on Scotland with the Argies.

'You can have Scotland if you agree to leave the Falklands alone'

[BruceV8]

ViperPict said:

What goes around, comes around...

What is that even supposed to mean?

[anonymous-user]

Chicharito said:

Shame we couldn't do a deal on Scotland with the Argies.

'You can have Scotland if you agree to leave the Falklands alone'

Come on, you really think they are stupid enough to agree to that?!

[anonymous-user]

Oakey said:

Still sore about William Wallace I see

Or the Darien scheme. Mention Latin America and Scots nationalist bumholes tighten (even more!)

[ViperPict]

Nope, just the inevitability of empireism...

It's the chip-on-the-shoulder folks who think it's in any way an anti-English issue...