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Inkyfingers said:
SPS said:
rovermorris999 said:
Let's hope the UK government isn't caught short like last time.
Don't think so = the base at and near Port Stanley is impressive!Having said that I think the chances of Argentina trying it any time soon are pretty small.
Mojocvh said:
MartG said:
There are units in the British armed forces that could have repaired runway damage in a matter of hours.
On the question of colonialism, which Kirchner keeps banging on about, I don't think the name 'Kirchner' originated from any of the 35 groups of indigenous peoples that existed prior to the arrival of the Spanish in 1530. If she's that concerned about colonialism, maybe she should hand the land back to the indigenous tribes and f
k off back to Germany ( where her name originates ) or Spain ?
On the question of colonialism, which Kirchner keeps banging on about, I don't think the name 'Kirchner' originated from any of the 35 groups of indigenous peoples that existed prior to the arrival of the Spanish in 1530. If she's that concerned about colonialism, maybe she should hand the land back to the indigenous tribes and f
k off back to Germany ( where her name originates ) or Spain ?
you may well be onto something there."Fernández was born in Ringuelet, a suburb west of La Plata, Province of Buenos Aires, daughter of Eduardo Fernández (of Spanish heritage) and Ofelia Esther Wilhelm (of German descent)"
"Cristina Elisabet Fernández Wilhelm is the daughter of Eduardo Fernández and Ofelia Esther Wilhelm. Cristina was born on 19 February 1953 in La Plata, capital of the province of Buenos Aires, and was the wife of Néstor Kirchner, President of Argentina from 2004-2007. Cristina was elected to succeed him and was inagurated on 10 December 2007. She was elected to a second term in 2011.
Her mother is the daughter of Carlos Wilhelm, who is reported to be a descendant of Volga German immigrants from the colony of Huck. However, Carlos arrived in Buenos Aires in 1929, and documents record there that he came from Germany. He did not appear to have any connection with the Volga German Wilhelm families of Urdinnarain in Entre Rios Province. If there is evidence of his Volga German ancestry, please notify the CVGS web administrator."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristina_Fern%C3%A1nd...
http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu/history/biographies/bi...
skinley said:
ViperPict said:
Apart from Scotland's not very close to Japan...
The Falklands are about 310 miles from Argentina, by your logic we (GB, UK, England, Independent Scotland, lol) should claim every territory within a 310 mile radius, even though we have no right to, just because it's nearby.Edited by skinley on Saturday 5th January 00:21
perdu said:
Caulkhead said:
Shouldn't take too long, half of it is already owned by middle-class Brits.
OKBack here by Saturday morning, seems OK I've nowt pressing before Sunday morning anyway.
Now then, where did I put that old Lee Enfield No4?
davepoth said:
Asterix said:
Beating up the village mong doesn't count.
And I'm sure the Palestinians love you too. It's problematic because the Israeli conflict is really the only proper territorial war (in terms of driving tanks into someone's town) we've had since the founding of the UN (apart from the Falklands); there's not a great deal of precedent to go on.
The UN says that taking land is not allowed, but of course if you have a friend on the Security Council they can never stop you. Since we have a seat on the Security Council we are entitled to take whichever side of the argument we want, be it "You started it so we get to keep the Islands" or "We finished it so we get to keep the Islands". Either way, we get to keep the Islands.
UN founded 1945 post WW11.
Conflicts of the sort you outlined;
Korean War
Russian Invasion of Hungary
Chino Tibetan War
Chino Indian Conflict
Russian Afghan Conflict
Iran Iraq Conflict
Iraq invasion of Kuwait
Literally dozens of conflicts in Africa
And that is all I can recall without researching.
Then we have the "sanctioned" UN conflicts and of course not forgetting the Vietnam!
SPS said:
Sorry man you are wrong.
In terms of the frame of reference we're talking about (A country going into another country and taking land off them that is internationally recognised as not belonging to them) I don't think I am.SPS said:
UN founded 1945 post WW11.
Founded October 1945, first meeting 1946.SPS said:
Conflicts of the sort you outlined;
Korean War
As a result of the Moscow Conference of 1945, this was (and is) a civil war.Korean War
SPS said:
Russian Invasion of Hungary
Happened in WW2.SPS said:
Chino Tibetan War
Chino Indian Conflict
Both based upon the McMahon line from the 1914 Simla Accord, which has been disputed by all parties involved since it was drawn. Before then there wasn't a fixed border so it's impossible to tell whether land has been taken or not.Chino Indian Conflict
SPS said:
Russian Afghan Conflict
I can't find any reference to the USSR retaining any of Afghanistan once it left.SPS said:
Iran Iraq Conflict
Borders returned to those set by the 1975 Algiers Agreement at the end of the war, so no border changed.SPS said:
Iraq invasion of Kuwait
Borders remained unchanged after the Iraqis were evicted.SPS said:
Literally dozens of conflicts in Africa
All of which are considered civil wars without changing borders.SPS said:
And that is all I can recall without researching.
Then we have the "sanctioned" UN conflicts and of course not forgetting the Vietnam!
Vietnam remained within its borders, as have all of the UN interventions.Then we have the "sanctioned" UN conflicts and of course not forgetting the Vietnam!
Questions: Round One
1. Would you be willing to die for the Falklands?
2. Would you be willing to send your children to die for the Falklands?
3. Would you be willing to send your felloe citizens to die for the Falklands?
To imperialists, the loss of life in a conflict is unimportant, providing it is not one of their own, and it is of little concern to them that 255 British servicemen and women were killed in what we call the Falklands’ War.
Questions: Round Two
1. Would you be willing to die for Las Malvinas?
2. Would you be willing to send your children to die for Las Malvinas?
3. Would you be willing to send your felloe citizens to die for the Las Malvinas?
To some Argentines, the loss of life in a conflict is unimportant, providing it is not one of their own, and it is of little concern to them that 649 Argentinian servicemen and women were killed in what they call Guerra De Las Malvinas.
Let's hope the answer to all of the six questions above is "NO".
1. Would you be willing to die for the Falklands?
2. Would you be willing to send your children to die for the Falklands?
3. Would you be willing to send your felloe citizens to die for the Falklands?
To imperialists, the loss of life in a conflict is unimportant, providing it is not one of their own, and it is of little concern to them that 255 British servicemen and women were killed in what we call the Falklands’ War.
Questions: Round Two
1. Would you be willing to die for Las Malvinas?
2. Would you be willing to send your children to die for Las Malvinas?
3. Would you be willing to send your felloe citizens to die for the Las Malvinas?
To some Argentines, the loss of life in a conflict is unimportant, providing it is not one of their own, and it is of little concern to them that 649 Argentinian servicemen and women were killed in what they call Guerra De Las Malvinas.
Let's hope the answer to all of the six questions above is "NO".
onyx39 said:
skinley said:
ViperPict said:
Apart from Scotland's not very close to Japan...
The Falklands are about 310 miles from Argentina, by your logic we (GB, UK, England, Independent Scotland, lol) should claim every territory within a 310 mile radius, even though we have no right to, just because it's nearby.Edited by skinley on Saturday 5th January 00:21
Ozzie Osmond said:
Questions: Round One
1. Would you be willing to die for the Falklands?
2. Would you be willing to send your children to die for the Falklands?
3. Would you be willing to send your felloe citizens to die for the Falklands?
To imperialists, the loss of life in a conflict is unimportant, providing it is not one of their own, and it is of little concern to them that 255 British servicemen and women were killed in what we call the Falklands’ War.
Questions: Round Two
1. Would you be willing to die for Las Malvinas?
2. Would you be willing to send your children to die for Las Malvinas?
3. Would you be willing to send your felloe citizens to die for the Las Malvinas?
To some Argentines, the loss of life in a conflict is unimportant, providing it is not one of their own, and it is of little concern to them that 649 Argentinian servicemen and women were killed in what they call Guerra De Las Malvinas.
Let's hope the answer to all of the six questions above is "NO".
Your use of imperialists seems unfair. I am not an imperialist, yet see the islanders as British, and deserve the protection as any other British citizen would expect. There is also a key difference between the invaders, and the defenders. 1. Would you be willing to die for the Falklands?
2. Would you be willing to send your children to die for the Falklands?
3. Would you be willing to send your felloe citizens to die for the Falklands?
To imperialists, the loss of life in a conflict is unimportant, providing it is not one of their own, and it is of little concern to them that 255 British servicemen and women were killed in what we call the Falklands’ War.
Questions: Round Two
1. Would you be willing to die for Las Malvinas?
2. Would you be willing to send your children to die for Las Malvinas?
3. Would you be willing to send your felloe citizens to die for the Las Malvinas?
To some Argentines, the loss of life in a conflict is unimportant, providing it is not one of their own, and it is of little concern to them that 649 Argentinian servicemen and women were killed in what they call Guerra De Las Malvinas.
Let's hope the answer to all of the six questions above is "NO".
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