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Martin4x4

6,506 posts

131 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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It is impotent posturing to distract their people from the political crisis they are experencing over their economic melt down. We are not the only target of her rhetoric, she targeted America last month. This is exactly the same as happened with Spain over Gibraltar last year, another right wing nationalist party blaming their woes on outsiders.



Edited by Martin4x4 on Saturday 22 November 08:00

hidetheelephants

23,772 posts

192 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Meanwhile, the Falklands are advancing toward a rosy economic future. A depressing contrast if you're Argentine.

NicD

3,281 posts

256 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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hidetheelephants said:
Meanwhile, the Falklands are advancing toward a rosy economic future. A depressing contrast if you're Argentine.
Excellent for the Islanders, important to get US commercial money involved to counter the pandering to Arg interests by their State Dept.

IanMorewood

4,309 posts

247 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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smegmore said:
Serious question...Could the UK realistically defend the FA against another Argie invasion?
Given the state of Argentine readiness then yes. They have little navy that could safely transit into the south Atlantic never mind fight, their air force is outdated by 1980's standards and its serviceability is questionable.

Add into the mix our radar and surface to air assets, plus the raf garrison, any naval assets in the region and four Typhoons it would be suicidal to attempt an invasion.

That said given the craziness of the regime in Buenos Aires it could well be the last throw of the dice prior to political implosion.

Andy Zarse

10,868 posts

246 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Asterix said:
The political/personal will to pull the trigger?

Thatcher Vs today's shower...

Edited by Asterix on Saturday 22 November 00:07
Any PM who didn't pull the trigger on an invasion would be instantly finished.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

278 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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IanMorewood said:
smegmore said:
Serious question...Could the UK realistically defend the FA against another Argie invasion?
Given the state of Argentine readiness then yes. They have little navy that could safely transit into the south Atlantic never mind fight, their air force is outdated by 1980's standards and its serviceability is questionable.

Add into the mix our radar and surface to air assets, plus the raf garrison, any naval assets in the region and four Typhoons it would be suicidal to attempt an invasion.

That said given the craziness of the regime in Buenos Aires it could well be the last throw of the dice prior to political implosion.
They are volatile and irrational, but not suicidal. Mostly of Italian stock, similar characteristics.

This was their main naval base last year.


IanMorewood

4,309 posts

247 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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The surface fleet is in a right state, the unknown would be what the two German built post conflict diesel subs would be capable of. I'm sure our submariners know what they are like but you still have a lot of sea to have to find them in if it all kicks off and without long range maritime patrol aircraft .......

hidetheelephants

23,772 posts

192 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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If they're anything like the skimmers they will be death traps; subs take no prisoners when they go wrong. Sentinel can do the LRMP duties and the Merlins can do the ASW if the argy submariners don't drown themselves.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

278 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Our Type 23 frigates would see off any enemy subs. Our Type 45 destroyers would take out their entire air threat, our SLCM carrying subs would wipe out their land threat, our Typhoons would keep goal.

If they did manage to land troops on the islands we would be able to re-take them by blocking their air threat and air resupply (Type 45s) and sub threat (type 23s and Astute class), taking out defensive points with SLCM and disembarking several battalions of battle-hardened ruffians very experienced in killing the Queen's enemies.

All this is before our carriers come into service.

NicD

3,281 posts

256 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Nice to think we can defend ourselves so well (not that the Falklands is 'ours') but I am cynical after the budget cuts.

DrDeAtH

3,586 posts

231 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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We still have an airworthy Vulcan bomber........

Its been down that way before.....


The original RAF crew are still able to fly and know the way...

IanMorewood

4,309 posts

247 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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DrDeAtH said:
We still have an airworthy Vulcan bomber........

Its been down that way before.....


The original RAF crew are still able to fly and know the way...
I'm pretty sure 558 wasn't involved in the Falklands campaign.
607 did bb1 as 598 had to turn about.
Bb2 607 was lead aircraft, 598 as reserve.
Bb3 607 + 612
Bb4 597 + 598
Bb5 597 + 598
Bb6 597 + 598
Bb7 607 + 598

DrDeAtH

3,586 posts

231 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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I generalised.... Vulcans were sent. We still have one that works...
XM607 was cannibalised for parts so the XH558 could fly.

Tango13

8,398 posts

175 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Andy Zarse said:
Asterix said:
The political/personal will to pull the trigger?

Thatcher Vs today's shower...

Edited by Asterix on Saturday 22 November 00:07
Any PM who didn't pull the trigger on an invasion would be instantly finished.
The flip side is that going to war and winning against the Argies would mean almost certain re-election.

DrDeAtH

3,586 posts

231 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Tango13 said:
The flip side is that going to war and winning against the Argies would mean almost certain re-election.
I don't think Cameron has the balls to call war on the Argies

Milliband wouldn't

Clegg would run and hide

griffin dai

3,194 posts

148 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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DrDeAtH said:
I don't think Cameron has the balls to call war on the Argies

Milliband wouldn't

Clegg would run and hide
Yep... but if UKIP were in charge Farrage would just kick bd fk out of the Mainland after his 7th pint of Best wink

I think they'd have to throw everything at us here, we'd probably hold them off long enough until reinforcements arrived, it'll be carnage for them this time. No doubt HMG have something drawn up already just incase. They'll have another crack at it.




IanMorewood

4,309 posts

247 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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I'm sure any of our political leaders would defend the FI against Argentine aggression after all there's potentially several billion barrels of oil under the sea floor.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

134 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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Not doing so would be political suicide too, I think, imagine the headlines!

FourWheelDrift

88,381 posts

283 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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DrDeAtH said:
I don't think Cameron has the balls to call war on the Argies

Milliband wouldn't

Clegg would run and hide
Of course they would, they have their phoney baloney jobs to protect.

DrDeAtH

3,586 posts

231 months

Sunday 23rd November 2014
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FourWheelDrift said:
DrDeAtH said:
I don't think Cameron has the balls to call war on the Argies

Milliband wouldn't

Clegg would run and hide
Of course they would, they have their phoney baloney jobs to protect.
Surely they would enter into 'talks'. Rather than spend a few quid on bombs etc.. Wars ruin their defence budget cuts...