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[FourWheelDrift]

Ayahuasca said:

kingofdbrits said:

Argentina announced last month that it intends to buy 24 Saab Gripen fighters, and they're bloomin good planes. Thankfully the UK has blocked the sale, however Brazil has just ordered loads too so not sure if Argentina will try to circumvent our attempts to block Argentina by buying through a.n.other?

How did we block the sale?

We threatened to give them Ulrika Jonsson back.

[IanMorewood]

BAE own a large part of the Gripen.

[onyx39]

Argentina have now announced they have done a deal for aircraft to be paid for from from Russia in wheat and presumably corned beef.
Time to increase the Typhoon count upwards?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/549006/Falkland-I...

I blame Ianmorewood for suggesting it on 25th November,

[Grumfutock]

onyx39 said:

Argentina have now announced they have done a deal for aircraft to be paid for from from Russia in wheat and presumably corned beef.
Time to increase the Typhoon count upwards?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/549006/Falkland-I...

Yep that will work until the Argies fail to pay. OMG what am I saying, the Argies would never default on a debt would they?

[davepoth]

Grumfutock said:

Yep that will work until the Argies fail to pay. OMG what am I saying, the Argies would never default on a debt would they?

Russia doesn't care about the money. They care about pissing off NATO any way they can.

[onyx39]

davepoth said:

Grumfutock said:

Yep that will work until the Argies fail to pay. OMG what am I saying, the Argies would never default on a debt would they?

Russia doesn't care about the money. They care about pissing off NATO any way they can.

Exactly, if Putin is as mad people reckon, it's gonna be a bonus if the Raf's mind is busy on the other side of the globe.

[jmorgan]

what a surprise.

[Jandywa]

Without wishing to sound a bit 'my dads harder than your dad', i'm fairly confident the 4 typhoons stationed on the Falkland islands would wipe their arses with some su-24's.

[onyx39]

Grumfutock said:

onyx39 said:

Argentina have now announced they have done a deal for aircraft to be paid for from from Russia in wheat and presumably corned beef.
Time to increase the Typhoon count upwards?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/549006/Falkland-I...

Yep that will work until the Argies fail to pay. OMG what am I saying, the Argies would never default on a debt would they?

The article says they are paying with Wheat. Surely they have stloads of that? Why would they default?

[barryrs]

onyx39 said:

Grumfutock said:

onyx39 said:

Argentina have now announced they have done a deal for aircraft to be paid for from from Russia in wheat and presumably corned beef.
Time to increase the Typhoon count upwards?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/549006/Falkland-I...

Yep that will work until the Argies fail to pay. OMG what am I saying, the Argies would never default on a debt would they?

The article says they are paying with Wheat. Surely they have stloads of that? Why would they default?

I can see this going well.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2014/0...

[jmorgan]

Jandywa said:

Without wishing to sound a bit 'my dads harder than your dad', i'm fairly confident the 4 typhoons stationed on the Falkland islands would wipe their arses with some su-24's.

I think putins aim is to stir it up. What does he care what the result is.

[Jandywa]

jmorgan said:

Jandywa said:

Without wishing to sound a bit 'my dads harder than your dad', i'm fairly confident the 4 typhoons stationed on the Falkland islands would wipe their arses with some su-24's.

I think putins aim is to stir it up. What does he care what the result is.

You're quite right. Putin will do anything to piss NATO off. this is just his latest idea

[Rovinghawk]

Jandywa said:

Without wishing to sound a bit 'my dads harder than your dad', i'm fairly confident the 4 typhoons stationed on the Falkland islands would wipe their arses with some su-24's.

The youngest are only 21 years old......................

[Jandywa]

Rovinghawk said:

Jandywa said:

Without wishing to sound a bit 'my dads harder than your dad', i'm fairly confident the 4 typhoons stationed on the Falkland islands would wipe their arses with some su-24's.

The youngest are only 21 years old......................

Blimey! the paint will still be wet on those...

[Octoposse]

Yet another entirely predictable downside to picking a fight with Moscow and telegraphing our desire for regime change there.

In any case I would imagine that the motivation for Argentina acquiring more potent attack aircraft is not to actually use them, but rather to increase the cost of defending the Falklands to levels that will be unsustainable for a cash strapped future British government.

[hidetheelephants]

Octoposse said:

Yet another entirely predictable downside to picking a fight with Moscow and telegraphing our desire for regime change there.

In any case I would imagine that the motivation for Argentina acquiring more potent attack aircraft is not to actually use them, but rather to increase the cost of defending the Falklands to levels that will be unsustainable for a cash strapped future British government.

Adding a dozen hangar queens to the collection they already have will do what to their ability to threaten the FI? Biggles will be laughing into his morning coffee at MPA.

[jmorgan]

Octoposse said:

Yet another entirely predictable downside to picking a fight with Moscow and telegraphing our desire for regime change there.

In any case I would imagine that the motivation for Argentina acquiring more potent attack aircraft is not to actually use them, but rather to increase the cost of defending the Falklands to levels that will be unsustainable for a cash strapped future British government.

I think the problem is the regime want to stay in power. Galtieri made the same mistake to hang on to power and took it too far and it looks like the present incumbent would not rule it out. She will look for support wherever she can get it and I suspect Putin and China and I think Iran, would have still sent the sales team with a nice portfolio. Only no Putin is not so worried about it being in the open.

Problem with getting fancy new planes, your people wonder why, if you have been bigging up claims and are not using them, perhaps? Puts Mrs President on the spot.

[petrolsniffer]

Octoposse said:

In any case I would imagine that the motivation for Argentina acquiring more potent attack aircraft is not to actually use them, but rather to increase the cost of defending the Falklands to levels that will be unsustainable for a cash strapped future British government.

Erm no they'd have to do better than some knackered su-24's to up any defence...

I can't really think of any Russian hardware upto the job against a typhoon or even our new type 45 destoryers

[IanMorewood]

So I'm to blame for a mad Russian selling an equally mad South American some obsolete highly complex strike jets in exchange for some magic beans?

The increased threat level probably dictates for a couple more Typhoons to go south for a while just in case but I can't see Fencers causing a Typhoon any problems unless the later is still parked in dispersal when the former arrives.

[Octoposse]

petrolsniffer said:

Octoposse said:

In any case I would imagine that the motivation for Argentina acquiring more potent attack aircraft is not to actually use them, but rather to increase the cost of defending the Falklands to levels that will be unsustainable for a cash strapped future British government.

Erm no they'd have to do better than some knackered su-24's to up any defence...

I can't really think of any Russian hardware upto the job against a typhoon or even our new type 45 destoryers

Up to a point - but that presupposes that you have a type 45 on station - which would require three(?). (And a fleet of one doesn't give you a long list of tactical options).

Ditto four Typhoons on the ground doesn't give you four Typhoons in the air.

Which is exactly the point - we'll have to spend more money - and Argentina would hope to engineer this to a level whichg is unsustainable. Economic 'fleet in being'.